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> I've never seen GPT4 produce a link, other than when it's in web-browsing mode, which I find to be slower and less accurate. Really? I've been using gpt4 sin

> I've never seen GPT4 produce a link, other than when it's in web-browsing mode, which I find to be slower and less accurate. Really? I've been using gpt4 since about April and it used to very often create links for me. I'll tell it hey I want to find a company that does X in Y city and it generates 5 links for me, and at least one of them is usually real and not hallucinated

dingnuts 3y ago
It's amazing to me how low the bar is for AI to impress people. Really, 80% of the links were hallucinated, and that's somehow more useful than Kagi for [checks notes] finding real links? Can you imagine if you did a search on Google and 80% of the results weren't even real websites? We'd all still be using AltaVista! What on earth kind of standard is "1/5 results actually exist!" -- no comment on whether the 1/5 real results is even relevant. My guess: the real links are usually irrelevant.
- berniedurfee 3y ago
  That’s actually been my experience with Google for a while. If I don’t explicitly specify “site:xyz” I get pages of garbage spam sites with no answers. Somehow ChatGPT seems easier to extract information from as I can just converse, test and repeat vs reading paragraphs of nonsense or skipping through a 14 minute YouTube video to get to incorrect or outdated answers. As I get more proficient with ChatGPT, it becomes more useful. It has bad habits I can recognize and work around to get what I need. It just feels far more efficient than using a web search tool ever was.
- smaudet 3y ago
  Google CEO wants to "make it useful" to everyone, however until its off the internet, it will never be possibly useful to me...
  - vineyardmike 3y ago
    Well they’re releasing an embedded version for on-device use so sounds like it’s useful to you.
- JCharante 3y ago
  Well the reason why I didn't use google is because of a language barrier. I was using it to research packaging companies in a foreign country in a foreign language. In that case I really don't know what to type into Google. Other times its generated links are when I prompt it something like "I want to use redux but simpler" and it tells me about 3-5 projects with links to their sites and usually thats better.
johnfn 3y ago
OK, maybe "never" is strong, but I've never seen ChatGPT say "This is not a feature that exists, but here's the open issue". And I've asked ChatGPT about a good many features that don't exist.
- refulgentis 3y ago
  I don't understand why it's desirable for a model not connected to the Internet to try to make claims about what's on the internet (maybe there's a better example than a GitHub issue? All joking aside, those don't usually have a long stable shelf life)
  - johnfn 3y ago
    It's unclear to me that Gemini/Bard isn't connected to the Internet.
    - refulgentis 3y ago
      I'm replying to a post about ChatGPT?
isaacfrond 3y ago
I have the impression that something was tweaked to reduce the likelihood of generating links. It used to be easy to get GTP to generate links. Just ask it to produce a list of sources. But it doesn't do that anymore.
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dingnuts 3y ago

It's amazing to me how low the bar is for AI to impress people. Really, 80% of the links were hallucinated, and that's somehow more useful than Kagi for [checks notes] finding real links? Can you imagine if you did a search on Google and 80% of the results weren't even real websites? We'd all still be using AltaVista! What on earth kind of standard is "1/5 results actually exist!" -- no comment on whether the 1/5 real results is even relevant. My guess: the real links are usually irrelevant.

berniedurfee 3y ago
That’s actually been my experience with Google for a while. If I don’t explicitly specify “site:xyz” I get pages of garbage spam sites with no answers. Somehow ChatGPT seems easier to extract information from as I can just converse, test and repeat vs reading paragraphs of nonsense or skipping through a 14 minute YouTube video to get to incorrect or outdated answers. As I get more proficient with ChatGPT, it becomes more useful. It has bad habits I can recognize and work around to get what I need. It just feels far more efficient than using a web search tool ever was.
smaudet 3y ago
Google CEO wants to "make it useful" to everyone, however until its off the internet, it will never be possibly useful to me...
- vineyardmike 3y ago
  Well they’re releasing an embedded version for on-device use so sounds like it’s useful to you.
JCharante 3y ago
Well the reason why I didn't use google is because of a language barrier. I was using it to research packaging companies in a foreign country in a foreign language. In that case I really don't know what to type into Google. Other times its generated links are when I prompt it something like "I want to use redux but simpler" and it tells me about 3-5 projects with links to their sites and usually thats better.

johnfn 3y ago

OK, maybe "never" is strong, but I've never seen ChatGPT say "This is not a feature that exists, but here's the open issue". And I've asked ChatGPT about a good many features that don't exist.

refulgentis 3y ago
I don't understand why it's desirable for a model not connected to the Internet to try to make claims about what's on the internet (maybe there's a better example than a GitHub issue? All joking aside, those don't usually have a long stable shelf life)
- johnfn 3y ago
  It's unclear to me that Gemini/Bard isn't connected to the Internet.
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    I'm replying to a post about ChatGPT?

isaacfrond 3y ago

I have the impression that something was tweaked to reduce the likelihood of generating links. It used to be easy to get GTP to generate links. Just ask it to produce a list of sources. But it doesn't do that anymore.

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