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I believe that Tesla does not need ships to transport Tesla Model Ys from Giga Berlin to Sweden. They can use railroad. Or trucks.

cultureswitch 3y ago
Boats are immensely better though. When they work.
mananaysiempre 3y ago
TFA also mentions Danish truckers. I’m not sure what the current state of Swedish land transport workers is in this regard, but given even the Swedish postal service has been refusing to deliver Tesla’s mail, I doubt they’ll be the weak link here.
- KeplerBoy 3y ago
  You don't need swedish truckers though. Polish or German truckers will happily deliver your stuff to Sweden.
  - TehCorwiz 3y ago
    At a higher cost most likely.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      Or a lower cost. Aren't Polish tuckers generally paid less than Swedish ones?
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    This doesn't matter, as part of a strike is to block others from doing what you are striking against. They have "guards" in place.
Hikikomori 3y ago
Afaik only the more expensive models are manufactured in Germany, model 3 is manufactured in China, so will come by boat to Europe. The Nordic federation of transport unions has expressed support so it will be hard for Tesla to ship things by rail and road.
- hinkley 3y ago
  So Tesla can only sell high margin vehicles while the strike is happening, and we are confused why Musk has let this escalate? In the words of Jeremy Clarkson: Oh no! Anyway…
  - Hikikomori 3y ago
    You seem to believe only dockworkers are striking?
WJW 3y ago
As long as Danish railroad workers and/or truckers don't join the blockade of course.
- hinkley 3y ago
  As someone else pointed out, it sounds like German and Polish truckers are ambivalent.
  - WJW 3y ago
    I guess Tesla has to hope Danish/Swedish customs employees are ambivalent too then. You'd need a lot of trucks to replace a single car transporting ship btw, so even if Tesla manages to work around the strike that way it might be costly.
    - eddtries 3y ago
      Which won't matter because they can't get license plates at the moment
      - hinkley 3y ago
        The grey market exists because people with means have ways to solve problems that are not meant to be solved. I don't know if owning a high end Tesla puts you into that crowd, but you're certainly in the right order of magnitude.
        actionfromafar 3y ago
        Not sure what you mean, but if someone really wants a new Tesla, they can go to another country, buy it, and drive home.
    - MichaelZuo 3y ago
      Tesla doesn't sell that many high end models in Sweden, a single train or a few dozen trucks can probably bring a week's worth of inventory.
pchangr 3y ago
Look in a map… it’s a massive difference on distance.. (and presumably on price)
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stiray 3y ago
I dont think, you understand the scale of the problem for Musk. If he will poke long enough, ETUC will join - and they will as he is literally twisting their arm. "At present, the ETUC represents almost 45 million workers across Europe, affiliated to 93 national trade union confederations from 41 European countries, and 10 European Trade Union Federations (ETUFs)." At a very modest evaluation, that is 100 million workers (probably 150 million, but I dont have stamina to get the numbers), 1/5 of people in EU. People who elect governments. He wont be able to sell a free sample of Tesla in EU. And someone stupid enough to buy it will have windows broken on daily basis as quisling. Not something unheard of, google for BMW - Break My Window. No one in EU is stupid enough to challenge trade unions at this scale. With a good reason. Best solution for him would be to back off when first union intervened, get into agreement with them, claim them for his best friends ever and keep it out of the press. Now this is cultural fight, where he will need to eat shi1 to calm everything down (for youngsters that don't understand: for him, 500 million market is in play and corporations from Microsoft to Facebook were eating shi1 to sell their products there). (btw, for people downvoting me, I am just stating the facts, feel free to verify them and argue against, downvoting wont change them, at worse it will help Musk do another stupid mistake)
- michtzik 3y ago
  I did not downvote you (nor even see your post as downvoted), but presumably one reason might be this: > He wont be able to sell a free sample of Tesla in EU. And someone stupid enough to buy it will have windows broken on daily basis as quisling. Not something unheard of, google for BMW - Break My Window. Personally, I appreciate you "just stating the facts" so clearly. And because of your wording (eg "quisling"), it offers evidence that you personally support such window breakings. It is very useful for my model of the world to know how much the threat of violence there is. By analogy, in November 1938, I'd appreciate forewarning that the authorities would look on without intervening as a bunch of windows were broken. (All the Google searches I did suggest that "Break My Window" was largely derived from thieves stealing radios. I assume that's not what you were referring to, but as far as I know, you may "just" support stealing from people.)

cultureswitch 3y ago

Boats are immensely better though. When they work.

mananaysiempre 3y ago

TFA also mentions Danish truckers. I’m not sure what the current state of Swedish land transport workers is in this regard, but given even the Swedish postal service has been refusing to deliver Tesla’s mail, I doubt they’ll be the weak link here.

KeplerBoy 3y ago
You don't need swedish truckers though. Polish or German truckers will happily deliver your stuff to Sweden.
- TehCorwiz 3y ago
  At a higher cost most likely.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    Or a lower cost. Aren't Polish tuckers generally paid less than Swedish ones?
- Dah00n 3y ago
  This doesn't matter, as part of a strike is to block others from doing what you are striking against. They have "guards" in place.

Hikikomori 3y ago

Afaik only the more expensive models are manufactured in Germany, model 3 is manufactured in China, so will come by boat to Europe. The Nordic federation of transport unions has expressed support so it will be hard for Tesla to ship things by rail and road.

hinkley 3y ago
So Tesla can only sell high margin vehicles while the strike is happening, and we are confused why Musk has let this escalate? In the words of Jeremy Clarkson: Oh no! Anyway…
- Hikikomori 3y ago
  You seem to believe only dockworkers are striking?

WJW 3y ago

As long as Danish railroad workers and/or truckers don't join the blockade of course.

hinkley 3y ago
As someone else pointed out, it sounds like German and Polish truckers are ambivalent.
- WJW 3y ago
  I guess Tesla has to hope Danish/Swedish customs employees are ambivalent too then. You'd need a lot of trucks to replace a single car transporting ship btw, so even if Tesla manages to work around the strike that way it might be costly.
  - eddtries 3y ago
    Which won't matter because they can't get license plates at the moment
    - hinkley 3y ago
      The grey market exists because people with means have ways to solve problems that are not meant to be solved. I don't know if owning a high end Tesla puts you into that crowd, but you're certainly in the right order of magnitude.
      - actionfromafar 3y ago
        Not sure what you mean, but if someone really wants a new Tesla, they can go to another country, buy it, and drive home.
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    Tesla doesn't sell that many high end models in Sweden, a single train or a few dozen trucks can probably bring a week's worth of inventory.

pchangr 3y ago

Look in a map… it’s a massive difference on distance.. (and presumably on price)

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stiray 3y ago

I dont think, you understand the scale of the problem for Musk. If he will poke long enough, ETUC will join - and they will as he is literally twisting their arm. "At present, the ETUC represents almost 45 million workers across Europe, affiliated to 93 national trade union confederations from 41 European countries, and 10 European Trade Union Federations (ETUFs)." At a very modest evaluation, that is 100 million workers (probably 150 million, but I dont have stamina to get the numbers), 1/5 of people in EU. People who elect governments. He wont be able to sell a free sample of Tesla in EU. And someone stupid enough to buy it will have windows broken on daily basis as quisling. Not something unheard of, google for BMW - Break My Window. No one in EU is stupid enough to challenge trade unions at this scale. With a good reason. Best solution for him would be to back off when first union intervened, get into agreement with them, claim them for his best friends ever and keep it out of the press. Now this is cultural fight, where he will need to eat shi1 to calm everything down (for youngsters that don't understand: for him, 500 million market is in play and corporations from Microsoft to Facebook were eating shi1 to sell their products there). (btw, for people downvoting me, I am just stating the facts, feel free to verify them and argue against, downvoting wont change them, at worse it will help Musk do another stupid mistake)

michtzik 3y ago
I did not downvote you (nor even see your post as downvoted), but presumably one reason might be this: > He wont be able to sell a free sample of Tesla in EU. And someone stupid enough to buy it will have windows broken on daily basis as quisling. Not something unheard of, google for BMW - Break My Window. Personally, I appreciate you "just stating the facts" so clearly. And because of your wording (eg "quisling"), it offers evidence that you personally support such window breakings. It is very useful for my model of the world to know how much the threat of violence there is. By analogy, in November 1938, I'd appreciate forewarning that the authorities would look on without intervening as a bunch of windows were broken. (All the Google searches I did suggest that "Break My Window" was largely derived from thieves stealing radios. I assume that's not what you were referring to, but as far as I know, you may "just" support stealing from people.)