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The ban on destruction of unsold clothing seems way better-defined and defensible than an abstract idea like "fast-fashion." How would you concretely ban such a

The ban on destruction of unsold clothing seems way better-defined and defensible than an abstract idea like "fast-fashion." How would you concretely ban such a thing?

mc32 3y ago
It's not that hard. They take cues from the catwalks, mass produce with quick turnaround and JIT production in familiar paces in the East with added characteristic of low-cost and short shelf life. A Bonobos is fast-fashion, but a Gitman Bros less so; you'll see the same cloth/pattern/colors year in, year out. Maybe the collars change over time and maybe they'll add darts one year...
- somanytta 3y ago
  > How would you concretely ban such a thing? Uhmmm, so your answer is to have to some group of people asses every item of clothing or every new brand that pops up to see if it qualifies as fast-fashion based on whether it was influenced by recent catwalk trends or whether the factory it was produced in made it too fast or efficiently. ? yikes. Not sure if you realize that just how subjective and unscalable that is.
  - mc32 3y ago
    They do PDO for food, how hard would it be to do something similar for clothing? This that and the other brand qualify and get some random inspections, this other MFG doesn't meet criteria and gets banned, there you have it.
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    - ethanbond 3y ago
      You’re describing central planning, not PDO (which is labeling requirement).
magicalhippo 3y ago
Here in Norway, most consumer goods is protected by a 2 year (5 for long lived items like washing machines) by a rule that says the seller must fix or refund any item which suffers from a production flaw. Breaking before those 2 years during normal usage is usually considered a flaw. In case of a dispute, it's on the seller to prove that the customer did something that's not considered normal use. Once an item is fixed, the fix gets another fresh 2 years. In principle I don't see why most clothing couldn't be covered by a similar scheme. It would force the producers to make clothing that actually lasts. Sure the price would go up, but you'd need less of it. There's a shop here in Oslo which has moved in this direction[1]. Their stuff is made from durable fabrics and they allow one free repair. [1]: https://www.northernplayground.no/en/usemore https://www.northernplayground.no/en/usemore

The ban on destruction of unsold clothing seems way better-defined and defensible than an abstract idea like "fast-fashion." How would you concretely ban such a thing?

mc32 3y ago

It's not that hard. They take cues from the catwalks, mass produce with quick turnaround and JIT production in familiar paces in the East with added characteristic of low-cost and short shelf life. A Bonobos is fast-fashion, but a Gitman Bros less so; you'll see the same cloth/pattern/colors year in, year out. Maybe the collars change over time and maybe they'll add darts one year...

somanytta 3y ago
> How would you concretely ban such a thing? Uhmmm, so your answer is to have to some group of people asses every item of clothing or every new brand that pops up to see if it qualifies as fast-fashion based on whether it was influenced by recent catwalk trends or whether the factory it was produced in made it too fast or efficiently. ? yikes. Not sure if you realize that just how subjective and unscalable that is.
- mc32 3y ago
  They do PDO for food, how hard would it be to do something similar for clothing? This that and the other brand qualify and get some random inspections, this other MFG doesn't meet criteria and gets banned, there you have it.
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  - ethanbond 3y ago
    You’re describing central planning, not PDO (which is labeling requirement).

magicalhippo 3y ago

Here in Norway, most consumer goods is protected by a 2 year (5 for long lived items like washing machines) by a rule that says the seller must fix or refund any item which suffers from a production flaw. Breaking before those 2 years during normal usage is usually considered a flaw. In case of a dispute, it's on the seller to prove that the customer did something that's not considered normal use. Once an item is fixed, the fix gets another fresh 2 years. In principle I don't see why most clothing couldn't be covered by a similar scheme. It would force the producers to make clothing that actually lasts. Sure the price would go up, but you'd need less of it. There's a shop here in Oslo which has moved in this direction[1]. Their stuff is made from durable fabrics and they allow one free repair. [1]: https://www.northernplayground.no/en/usemore https://www.northernplayground.no/en/usemore