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Please provide one concrete example where this leaked information was used to materially impact someone's life that would not have otherwise been possible witho

Please provide one concrete example where this leaked information was used to materially impact someone's life that would not have otherwise been possible without the leak. Absent that, the argument holds that screeching declarations about privacy tend to be overblown.

l33t7332273 3y ago
Would it materially impact your life to send me a video each time you use the restroom? Probably not, but that doesn’t mean you’re comfortable with it being shared.
- WendyTheWillow 3y ago
  That counts, can you show an example of this data being used in that way? In literally any way at all, has this data actually been used for anything?
  - jabradoodle 3y ago
    It's being sold illegally on the dark web; how do you propose we tell you how it's being used?
    - WendyTheWillow 3y ago
      When something actually happens.
      - illiac786 3y ago
        the classic counter argument here is “when something happens, it will be too late”.
        WendyTheWillow 3y ago
        Yes but we tend to frown on precrime arrests.
        illiac786 3y ago
        I never mentioned making an arrest?… Just preventing the crime from happening because then it will be too late. We don’t wait for a pedestrian to be run over by a car to decide that a specific road is too unsafe for a specific speed, we tend to implement appropriate speed limits to prevent such irreversible things like death from happening. Same applies with privacy. Once a person’s data is out there, you can’t take it back anymore, so if someone every finds a way to make money out of it to the detriment of this person, it’s too late. You can arrest this someone, then the next one will pop up and do the same with the same data.
        WendyTheWillow 3y ago
        Yes, we definitely waited for pedestrians to be hit before deciding road speeds need to be regulated. We waited until long after many pedestrians were struck by vehicles before even considering solutions. And I can't believe I have to say this, but someone dying by getting hit by a car is more serious than someone's SSN getting leaked. If this is such a big issue, why hasn't more happened already? Why don't we see massive insurance denials based on Facebook posts? Where are the droves of people denied loans because it's leaked they use crypto? There was a huge Ashley Madison data dump some years ago, yet there were no mass firings or even divorces as a result. Honestly, if nothing big comes out of this DNA leak, I think the idea that privacy is critically important is dead. If someone's DNA being leaked out into the world doesn't matter in a meaningful and systemic way, then there's nothing here.
        illiac786 3y ago
        > DNA leak DNA was not leaked. ancestry only. >someone dying by getting hit by a car is more serious than someone's SSN getting leaked. yes, I don't see why the analogy is not valid anymore though. Analogy was about preemption, not gravity of the issue. >If that's such a big issue, why hasn't more happened already? Don't know, but we are running circles, my point is, we shouldn't wait for more to happen. I thought you got that.
gnulinux 3y ago
Goalposts keep being pushed: * You don't have to care about privacy if you didn't do anything illegal. * If you do care about it, you can just choose not to share your information. * If you don't share but your data is still leaked, it didn't affect your life anyway. The point is an average person is incapable of having boundaries with these corporations who have all their data and benefit from it, and we have no way of predicting how all this data about us will affect us.
- WendyTheWillow 3y ago
  This is the first time you and I have spoken in our lives; it's impossible for me to have moved any goalposts. The point is that these privacy claims are nearly exclusively theoretical. Privacy advocates constantly tell anyone who will listen about the complete destruction of privacy in modern society, and yet nothing even resembling the consequences they claim will occur is actually happening.

l33t7332273 3y ago

Would it materially impact your life to send me a video each time you use the restroom? Probably not, but that doesn’t mean you’re comfortable with it being shared.

WendyTheWillow 3y ago
That counts, can you show an example of this data being used in that way? In literally any way at all, has this data actually been used for anything?
- jabradoodle 3y ago
  It's being sold illegally on the dark web; how do you propose we tell you how it's being used?
  - WendyTheWillow 3y ago
    When something actually happens.
    - illiac786 3y ago
      the classic counter argument here is “when something happens, it will be too late”.
      - WendyTheWillow 3y ago
        Yes but we tend to frown on precrime arrests.
        illiac786 3y ago
        I never mentioned making an arrest?… Just preventing the crime from happening because then it will be too late. We don’t wait for a pedestrian to be run over by a car to decide that a specific road is too unsafe for a specific speed, we tend to implement appropriate speed limits to prevent such irreversible things like death from happening. Same applies with privacy. Once a person’s data is out there, you can’t take it back anymore, so if someone every finds a way to make money out of it to the detriment of this person, it’s too late. You can arrest this someone, then the next one will pop up and do the same with the same data.
        WendyTheWillow 3y ago
        Yes, we definitely waited for pedestrians to be hit before deciding road speeds need to be regulated. We waited until long after many pedestrians were struck by vehicles before even considering solutions. And I can't believe I have to say this, but someone dying by getting hit by a car is more serious than someone's SSN getting leaked. If this is such a big issue, why hasn't more happened already? Why don't we see massive insurance denials based on Facebook posts? Where are the droves of people denied loans because it's leaked they use crypto? There was a huge Ashley Madison data dump some years ago, yet there were no mass firings or even divorces as a result. Honestly, if nothing big comes out of this DNA leak, I think the idea that privacy is critically important is dead. If someone's DNA being leaked out into the world doesn't matter in a meaningful and systemic way, then there's nothing here.
        illiac786 3y ago
        > DNA leak DNA was not leaked. ancestry only. >someone dying by getting hit by a car is more serious than someone's SSN getting leaked. yes, I don't see why the analogy is not valid anymore though. Analogy was about preemption, not gravity of the issue. >If that's such a big issue, why hasn't more happened already? Don't know, but we are running circles, my point is, we shouldn't wait for more to happen. I thought you got that.

gnulinux 3y ago

Goalposts keep being pushed: * You don't have to care about privacy if you didn't do anything illegal. * If you do care about it, you can just choose not to share your information. * If you don't share but your data is still leaked, it didn't affect your life anyway. The point is an average person is incapable of having boundaries with these corporations who have all their data and benefit from it, and we have no way of predicting how all this data about us will affect us.

WendyTheWillow 3y ago
This is the first time you and I have spoken in our lives; it's impossible for me to have moved any goalposts. The point is that these privacy claims are nearly exclusively theoretical. Privacy advocates constantly tell anyone who will listen about the complete destruction of privacy in modern society, and yet nothing even resembling the consequences they claim will occur is actually happening.