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Being a 40+ year old Pole I am yet to see a single case of corruption in public sector be prosecuted.

ajuc 3y ago
Maciej Zalewski (a co-creator of Kaczyński's first party - Porozumienie Centrum) remains the only high-level politician I know of in Poland that was sentenced for corruption and actually went to jail. https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maciej_Zalewski_(filolog) https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maciej_Zalewski_(filolog) He warned Bagsik and co. (who stole millions of public money through the famous Art-B company and escaped to Israel) that the police wants to imprison them - so they managed to escape. Bagsik later confirmed that they shared some of that money with Porozumienie Centrum's business named Telegraf. Somehow only the less important guy (Zalewski) went to jail, but Kaczyński brothers weren't prosecuted. But there's a lot of low level corruption that is exposed, it's just usually ignored by country-wide media, because that corruption is local. For one example: https://samorzad.pap.pl/kategoria/prawo/prawomocny-wyrok-byly-niezatapialny-urzednik-jan-t-prawomocnie-skazany https://samorzad.pap.pl/kategoria/prawo/prawomocny-wyrok-byl...
- matkoniecz 3y ago
  > but Kaczyński brothers weren't prosecuted. Is there any indicator they should have been in this case?
  - ajuc 3y ago
    Their company "Telegraf" got cheap credit from Bagsik just before.
KptMarchewa 3y ago
I haven't seen any evidence of corruption here - just pure malice and monopolistic behavior.
- 6510 3y ago
  It might be different if you manage to get your competitor fined 500k
  - KptMarchewa 3y ago
    500k is fraction of train cost. Eventual fine, to work properly, would need to be in hundreds of millions.
    - account42 3y ago
      I think the 500k was a reference to the fine the third-party service company (SPS Mieczkowski) had to pay due to the failure that it now turns out was intentionally caused by Newag.
- jnsaff2 3y ago
  I think that there are two separate issues here: 1. train manufacturer bricking trains - malice and monopolism as you say 2. prosecutors failing to bring court cases and convictions for train manufacturers - incompetence or more likely corruption.
- ska 3y ago
  There is corruption everywhere (though obviously not uniformly distributed). It requires active, dynamic efforts to counteract. If you don't see some evidence of successful prosecution, that itself is informative.
- _hcuq 3y ago
  The corruption would be if this is not punished. By for example Newag getting a massive fine.
  - KptMarchewa 3y ago
    It's a criminal case. Money is not enough.

ajuc 3y ago

Maciej Zalewski (a co-creator of Kaczyński's first party - Porozumienie Centrum) remains the only high-level politician I know of in Poland that was sentenced for corruption and actually went to jail. https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maciej_Zalewski_(filolog) https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maciej_Zalewski_(filolog) He warned Bagsik and co. (who stole millions of public money through the famous Art-B company and escaped to Israel) that the police wants to imprison them - so they managed to escape. Bagsik later confirmed that they shared some of that money with Porozumienie Centrum's business named Telegraf. Somehow only the less important guy (Zalewski) went to jail, but Kaczyński brothers weren't prosecuted. But there's a lot of low level corruption that is exposed, it's just usually ignored by country-wide media, because that corruption is local. For one example: https://samorzad.pap.pl/kategoria/prawo/prawomocny-wyrok-byly-niezatapialny-urzednik-jan-t-prawomocnie-skazany https://samorzad.pap.pl/kategoria/prawo/prawomocny-wyrok-byl...

matkoniecz 3y ago
> but Kaczyński brothers weren't prosecuted. Is there any indicator they should have been in this case?
- ajuc 3y ago
  Their company "Telegraf" got cheap credit from Bagsik just before.

KptMarchewa 3y ago

I haven't seen any evidence of corruption here - just pure malice and monopolistic behavior.

6510 3y ago
It might be different if you manage to get your competitor fined 500k
- KptMarchewa 3y ago
  500k is fraction of train cost. Eventual fine, to work properly, would need to be in hundreds of millions.
  - account42 3y ago
    I think the 500k was a reference to the fine the third-party service company (SPS Mieczkowski) had to pay due to the failure that it now turns out was intentionally caused by Newag.
jnsaff2 3y ago
I think that there are two separate issues here: 1. train manufacturer bricking trains - malice and monopolism as you say 2. prosecutors failing to bring court cases and convictions for train manufacturers - incompetence or more likely corruption.
ska 3y ago
There is corruption everywhere (though obviously not uniformly distributed). It requires active, dynamic efforts to counteract. If you don't see some evidence of successful prosecution, that itself is informative.
_hcuq 3y ago
The corruption would be if this is not punished. By for example Newag getting a massive fine.
- KptMarchewa 3y ago
  It's a criminal case. Money is not enough.