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I'm on the fence about using this. I don't want to switch all my conversations over to iMessage and then have Apple figure out how to ban this. That kind of fee

I'm on the fence about using this. I don't want to switch all my conversations over to iMessage and then have Apple figure out how to ban this. That kind of feels like a recipe for lost messages.

kevincox 3y ago
That's my main concern as well. I don't want to strengthen such a closed ecosystem by building their network. (That and desktop support is a must for me)
- modeless 3y ago
  Beeper desktop supports iMessage too, I'm using it right now.
  - meetingthrower 3y ago
    Do you have an invite - I'm on beeper mini but on the waitlist for the desktop!
xinayder 3y ago
It doesn't help that they want to pursue the exact same approach for the other apps they want to provide service for. They are looking to get banned and completely damage the Matrix/Mautrix bridge ecosystem.
- graphe 3y ago
  What's the point of matrix integration if not to use it? Gaim/pidgin ended because of changes not because it was too powerful.
erohead 3y ago
Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.
modeless 3y ago
If Apple bans this they will have to answer to EU courts. I very much doubt they will in this political climate.
- runako 3y ago
  They wouldn't have to ban it, they could just alter the protocol to make it impossible. iMessage is designed to only work on devices manufactured by a single company. All of those devices have secure cryptographic elements built into them. It's not a stretch to think Apple could lock down iMessage under the guise of security.
  - modeless 3y ago
    Again, they would have to answer to EU courts. They are legally required to be interoperable now. Banning non-iPhones would definitely be litigated.
    - gabeio 3y ago
      Good luck testifying that they specifically adjusted a private internal protocol to block an App vs improve/iterate on the existing protocol.
      - nicolas_17 3y ago
        That would break old devices.
      - freedomben 3y ago
        That would be easy and wouldn't even require lying. "We identified and fixed a security vulnerability and fixed it"
    - dbbk 3y ago
      This is not true. iMessage hasn't been declared a core service by the EU. This takes seconds to Google.
stl_fan 3y ago
Same concern here. I think it's a more valuable use of time to get all your friends/family to switch to Signal. AND pay for (donate) to Signal.
tomstockmail 3y ago
For those trying it out or if it does get banned, here's the iMessage unregistration link: https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/ https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/
- crayboff 3y ago
  Thank you, this was probably my biggest concern
- gobeavs 3y ago
  I tested it out, unregistered in the app and now I can't receive SMS from iPhones. This link says my phone isn't registered either. Yikes! Edit: it's working now, took 15 mins to work itself out.

I'm on the fence about using this. I don't want to switch all my conversations over to iMessage and then have Apple figure out how to ban this. That kind of feels like a recipe for lost messages.

kevincox 3y ago

That's my main concern as well. I don't want to strengthen such a closed ecosystem by building their network. (That and desktop support is a must for me)

modeless 3y ago
Beeper desktop supports iMessage too, I'm using it right now.
- meetingthrower 3y ago
  Do you have an invite - I'm on beeper mini but on the waitlist for the desktop!

xinayder 3y ago

It doesn't help that they want to pursue the exact same approach for the other apps they want to provide service for. They are looking to get banned and completely damage the Matrix/Mautrix bridge ecosystem.

graphe 3y ago
What's the point of matrix integration if not to use it? Gaim/pidgin ended because of changes not because it was too powerful.

erohead 3y ago

Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

modeless 3y ago

If Apple bans this they will have to answer to EU courts. I very much doubt they will in this political climate.

runako 3y ago
They wouldn't have to ban it, they could just alter the protocol to make it impossible. iMessage is designed to only work on devices manufactured by a single company. All of those devices have secure cryptographic elements built into them. It's not a stretch to think Apple could lock down iMessage under the guise of security.
- modeless 3y ago
  Again, they would have to answer to EU courts. They are legally required to be interoperable now. Banning non-iPhones would definitely be litigated.
  - gabeio 3y ago
    Good luck testifying that they specifically adjusted a private internal protocol to block an App vs improve/iterate on the existing protocol.
    - nicolas_17 3y ago
      That would break old devices.
    - freedomben 3y ago
      That would be easy and wouldn't even require lying. "We identified and fixed a security vulnerability and fixed it"
  - dbbk 3y ago
    This is not true. iMessage hasn't been declared a core service by the EU. This takes seconds to Google.

stl_fan 3y ago

Same concern here. I think it's a more valuable use of time to get all your friends/family to switch to Signal. AND pay for (donate) to Signal.

tomstockmail 3y ago

For those trying it out or if it does get banned, here's the iMessage unregistration link: https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/ https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/

crayboff 3y ago
Thank you, this was probably my biggest concern
gobeavs 3y ago
I tested it out, unregistered in the app and now I can't receive SMS from iPhones. This link says my phone isn't registered either. Yikes! Edit: it's working now, took 15 mins to work itself out.