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Doesn't Nvidia hold all the (literally/figuratively) chips here? If they told the US to screw off, wouldn't we see a huge migration of companies to Europe / oth

Doesn't Nvidia hold all the (literally/figuratively) chips here? If they told the US to screw off, wouldn't we see a huge migration of companies to Europe / other countries so they could purchase their GPUs?

TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
Worst case, the US government declares Nvidia a threat to national security, arrest its executives, and nationalize the whole company.
- HenryBemis 3y ago
  If I were every other tech company I would be pooping my pants. So if the US gov plays this with Nvidia, what does stop them to do the same for the information in X, FB, YT, and any other trove of information? Unless (as we now know from the Twitterfiles) the US gov already has their hands on the information of all the aforementioned.
  - TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
    > what does stop them to do the same for the information in X, FB, YT, and any other trove of information? Nothing. I believe all governments in theory have the power to do that in one way or another. Governments write and enforce the laws of their country.
SilverBirch 3y ago
Yeah it would be easy, just close down their headquarters in Santa Clara, find a new semiconductor fab - because TSMC sure as hell isn't siding against the US, in fact neither is Samsung or Intel, so lets say build their own fab business. Then all they have to do is find a new set of customers because none of the US big tech companies like Google, Amazon, Microsoft etc. are going to join them...
- seydor 3y ago
  China would be happy to use those ASML machines, I imagine
  - TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
    Nvidia is fabless the last time I checked and doesn’t own any fabrication equipment.
- Wool2662 3y ago
  Or you know, buy a senator or two and do whatever they feel like... Pretty sure some of the super ethical companies you listed would even chip in a few million. They are well on the way to eroding any kind of oversight as is. Just give them a bit more time.
amelius 3y ago
No, if they mess up one generation for one reason or the other, others will catch up and might take over their position. Apple came from almost nothing and built a GPU in a few years. I think the government might like their way of locking things down too. (Not a fan myself).

TerrifiedMouse 3y ago

Worst case, the US government declares Nvidia a threat to national security, arrest its executives, and nationalize the whole company.

HenryBemis 3y ago
If I were every other tech company I would be pooping my pants. So if the US gov plays this with Nvidia, what does stop them to do the same for the information in X, FB, YT, and any other trove of information? Unless (as we now know from the Twitterfiles) the US gov already has their hands on the information of all the aforementioned.
- TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
  > what does stop them to do the same for the information in X, FB, YT, and any other trove of information? Nothing. I believe all governments in theory have the power to do that in one way or another. Governments write and enforce the laws of their country.

SilverBirch 3y ago

Yeah it would be easy, just close down their headquarters in Santa Clara, find a new semiconductor fab - because TSMC sure as hell isn't siding against the US, in fact neither is Samsung or Intel, so lets say build their own fab business. Then all they have to do is find a new set of customers because none of the US big tech companies like Google, Amazon, Microsoft etc. are going to join them...

seydor 3y ago
China would be happy to use those ASML machines, I imagine
- TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
  Nvidia is fabless the last time I checked and doesn’t own any fabrication equipment.
Wool2662 3y ago
Or you know, buy a senator or two and do whatever they feel like... Pretty sure some of the super ethical companies you listed would even chip in a few million. They are well on the way to eroding any kind of oversight as is. Just give them a bit more time.

amelius 3y ago

No, if they mess up one generation for one reason or the other, others will catch up and might take over their position. Apple came from almost nothing and built a GPU in a few years. I think the government might like their way of locking things down too. (Not a fan myself).