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Bitcoin Core 26.0

47 points by neustradamus 3y ago

ProllyInfamous 3y ago
I'm still hosting my 16.3 supernode THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [why should I upgrade such a simple protocol?!]
- unboxingelf 3y ago
  no need and probably for the best!
- ur-whale 3y ago
  16.3 ? That's quite revolutionary. I am still running 0.12.1 [last reliable non segwit bitcoin node release]
josu 3y ago
Here are the release notes: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/26.x/doc/release-notes.md https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/26.x/doc/release-not...
ellis0n 3y ago
Don't trust to bitcoin core as "open source". It is well encrypted enterprise with a lot anti-human traps. I spent a year to decrypt it
- nullc 3y ago
  This is a maliciously false and baseless lie. Were it true, you could simply link to an example of it in the repository. I've read all the changes to the project for essentially its entire life and there is nothing like that nor would anything like that be accepted by many users or the ordinary review process.
- kylebenzle 3y ago
  Are you referring to the, Blockstream hijacking of the GitHub repo? It was one of the oddest stories in Bitcoin history how a for profit company led by Greg Maxwell and Adam Back wrestled the keys away from the one legitimate contributor Gavin Andresen, then put every remaining coder on the payroll. As you say, Bitcoin Core is Not open source in the normal meaning.
  - nullc 3y ago
    This claim is maliciously false and from prior comments I see that you know it. Particularly since it names me by name I must insist that you withdraw it.
  - ellis0n 3y ago
    I mean legal obfuscation, that’s why so many commits are made in an application of a little bit functions so that no one can figure it out how it works. I've worked with a lot major forks of Bitcoin Core since 2010, DASH, PIVX, Komodo, etc. All of them using obfuscation techniques. The same technology is used by many corporations for "open source" JS, for example. I was downvoted by BTC owner bots for my experience, which means I'm right. Not many people in the world know how the BTC works.
    - olalonde 3y ago
      What are you talking about? Can you link to a source file with such "obfuscation"?
kylebenzle 3y ago
The Bitcoin Core GitHub repo was long ago hijacked by the for profit company, Blockstream. Every update made since their takeover has hurt the core principal of Bitcoin, which is to be peer to peer digital cash, a replacement for Visa-like daily payments.
- nullc 3y ago
  Does your recent bankruptcy as a result of a multimillion dollar court judgement against you make you feel emboldened to make maliciously false ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38549409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38549409 ) claims on hacker news? Do your bankruptcy creditors know about your 'investments' in Bitcoin competitors that you're promoting here?
- Shekelphile 3y ago
  bitcoin has no usecase as 'digital cash' anyway. plenty of other coins fill that role better for years now.
  - npoc 3y ago
    The main bitcoin network at least. Bitcoin can still be used as digital cash (and one that holds it's value better than any other), but transferred on a different network e.g. lightning
- eru 3y ago
  Could you decide whether you want cash or visa-like payments? Cash transactions are more or less irreversible. Visa is very much not final until at least months after the fact.
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  [flagged]
janandonly 3y ago
I see a lot of resentment here for this software. But it’s perfectly possible to make your own implementation of the bitcoin protocol. Like Luke, who made Knots. And other versions exist too. The real pain comes from the choices in the past to keep bitcoin inclusive. Smaller blocks mean the ability to download and verify on simple cheap hardware. Have a look at ETH, SOL or EOS. What kind of server park do you need to run those chains?
- patriksvensson 3y ago
  Stop spreading FUD about Ethereum (SOL and EOS, valid). Ethereum shares the same philosophy of ensuring that clients are capable of being used on lower end hardware to ensure diversity of nodes. Ethereum nodes can and are being run on Raspberry PI's + SSD drives. You can even validate the Ethereum network on a Raspberry PI. In Ethereum you "validate" instead of "mine" like in bitcoin, this is what keeps the network secure and validating is much more power efficient (99.995% less power use than Bitcoin for). See Proof of Stake vs Proof of Work. My question to you is: Look at BTC. What kind of specialized, expensive, environmentally unfriendly, ASICS do you need to secure the chain?
- kinakomochidayo 3y ago
  It’s actually pretty easy to run Ethereum nodes. Also, statelessness and verkle trees will enable Ethereum to be validated on cell phones eventually. That’s not going to happen with Bitcoin. Also, funny to see Bitcoiners talk about running censoring client implementations for Ordinals.
  - josu 3y ago
    >That’s not going to happen with Bitcoin. ??? That has been possible for years: https://github.com/greenaddress/abcore https://github.com/greenaddress/abcore
  - tromp 3y ago
    > That’s not going to happen with Bitcoin. It looks like that is going to happen with https://zerosync.org/ https://zerosync.org/ steadily progressing...
CodeCompost 3y ago
GitHub should start introducing energy labels to repos so that they understand the impact they have on the environment.
- 4pkjai 3y ago
  How do you expect them to do that? Also I highly suspect a large portion of people on Github are aware that Bitcoin and other crytpo projects use a lot of energy.
- seniorivn 3y ago
  even better idea, github should charge repos that have huge environment impact shit load of money, and subsidize those who are good(and probably vote for the right people)
- throwthrow1742 3y ago
  [dead]
TekMol 3y ago
I have read the whitepaper and followed discussions about the protocol for quite some time, but never looked into the actual software landscape. Bitcoin Core is a "Node", right? A software you run if you want to have the whole history of all Bitcoin transactions of your own hard drive? Therefore I would think it is only used by researchers and analysts?
- seniorivn 3y ago
  isnt it necessary to run full node to mine bitcoin?
  - eru 3y ago
    At least one party in a mining pool has to do so, I guess, but not everyone (nor every computing device) who participates.
  - BenoitP 3y ago
    You want to be mining at the tip of the blockchain, otherwise you risk losing the block you're mining as others will not include its digest in their header (and not base the blockchain through your block. it'd be just a leaf in the chain). So you need at least to be aware of the latest blocks. I believe this is achievable with client only. You'd get the block reward, but not the fees. If you want the fees, you need to be aware of potential transactions; and also verify that these are valid (at pain of seeing your block be seen as invalid). So you need to receive that information. Also if you want to publish a block you found, you need to not only listen to information but also publish it to others as well. So yeah, you kind of need to run an up-to-date full node to get both reward and fee. Now, this does not mean that your miners need to be full nodes. These only need the block to be mined (digest of previous block, header, transactions, your public address to giver the reward to) and then they can vary the nonce at the end to start mining. But this block information has to be up quite to date, otherwise you're mining aimlessly. I've read that while switching to a new block, miner setups send block data empty of transactions to be mined: so as not to waste the few tenths of seconds it takes to upload new block data to miners. So you can run an operation with a single central full node that sends blocks to individual miner devices.
K0balt 3y ago
Anyone know what is (or isn’t) being done to secure Bitcoin against quantum attacks? Last I heard it was still “quantum isn’t a problem yet” but I have reasons to believe that even at that time the assertion was untrue.
- me_me_me 3y ago
  > Anyone know what is being done to secure Bitcoin against quantum attacks? Do you mean that anyone will be concerned with bitcoin saftey after our banking system collapses along with other https dependent traffic (as its no longer http'S' ?
  - K0balt 3y ago
    lol. Just going to drop in here that we need to be working on these solutions faster than is commonly known. The SOTA in breaking large swaths of our security infrastructure, including SHA, is much farther along in certain rarified environments than is commonly understood.

Bitcoin Core 26.0

47 points by neustradamus 3y ago

ProllyInfamous 3y ago

I'm still hosting my 16.3 supernode THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [why should I upgrade such a simple protocol?!]

unboxingelf 3y ago
no need and probably for the best!
ur-whale 3y ago
16.3 ? That's quite revolutionary. I am still running 0.12.1 [last reliable non segwit bitcoin node release]

josu 3y ago

Here are the release notes: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/26.x/doc/release-notes.md https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/26.x/doc/release-not...

ellis0n 3y ago

Don't trust to bitcoin core as "open source". It is well encrypted enterprise with a lot anti-human traps. I spent a year to decrypt it

nullc 3y ago
This is a maliciously false and baseless lie. Were it true, you could simply link to an example of it in the repository. I've read all the changes to the project for essentially its entire life and there is nothing like that nor would anything like that be accepted by many users or the ordinary review process.
kylebenzle 3y ago
Are you referring to the, Blockstream hijacking of the GitHub repo? It was one of the oddest stories in Bitcoin history how a for profit company led by Greg Maxwell and Adam Back wrestled the keys away from the one legitimate contributor Gavin Andresen, then put every remaining coder on the payroll. As you say, Bitcoin Core is Not open source in the normal meaning.
- nullc 3y ago
  This claim is maliciously false and from prior comments I see that you know it. Particularly since it names me by name I must insist that you withdraw it.
- ellis0n 3y ago
  I mean legal obfuscation, that’s why so many commits are made in an application of a little bit functions so that no one can figure it out how it works. I've worked with a lot major forks of Bitcoin Core since 2010, DASH, PIVX, Komodo, etc. All of them using obfuscation techniques. The same technology is used by many corporations for "open source" JS, for example. I was downvoted by BTC owner bots for my experience, which means I'm right. Not many people in the world know how the BTC works.
  - olalonde 3y ago
    What are you talking about? Can you link to a source file with such "obfuscation"?

kylebenzle 3y ago

The Bitcoin Core GitHub repo was long ago hijacked by the for profit company, Blockstream. Every update made since their takeover has hurt the core principal of Bitcoin, which is to be peer to peer digital cash, a replacement for Visa-like daily payments.

nullc 3y ago
Does your recent bankruptcy as a result of a multimillion dollar court judgement against you make you feel emboldened to make maliciously false ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38549409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38549409 ) claims on hacker news? Do your bankruptcy creditors know about your 'investments' in Bitcoin competitors that you're promoting here?
Shekelphile 3y ago
bitcoin has no usecase as 'digital cash' anyway. plenty of other coins fill that role better for years now.
- npoc 3y ago
  The main bitcoin network at least. Bitcoin can still be used as digital cash (and one that holds it's value better than any other), but transferred on a different network e.g. lightning
eru 3y ago
Could you decide whether you want cash or visa-like payments? Cash transactions are more or less irreversible. Visa is very much not final until at least months after the fact.
DonHopkins 3y ago
[flagged]

janandonly 3y ago

I see a lot of resentment here for this software. But it’s perfectly possible to make your own implementation of the bitcoin protocol. Like Luke, who made Knots. And other versions exist too. The real pain comes from the choices in the past to keep bitcoin inclusive. Smaller blocks mean the ability to download and verify on simple cheap hardware. Have a look at ETH, SOL or EOS. What kind of server park do you need to run those chains?

patriksvensson 3y ago
Stop spreading FUD about Ethereum (SOL and EOS, valid). Ethereum shares the same philosophy of ensuring that clients are capable of being used on lower end hardware to ensure diversity of nodes. Ethereum nodes can and are being run on Raspberry PI's + SSD drives. You can even validate the Ethereum network on a Raspberry PI. In Ethereum you "validate" instead of "mine" like in bitcoin, this is what keeps the network secure and validating is much more power efficient (99.995% less power use than Bitcoin for). See Proof of Stake vs Proof of Work. My question to you is: Look at BTC. What kind of specialized, expensive, environmentally unfriendly, ASICS do you need to secure the chain?
kinakomochidayo 3y ago
It’s actually pretty easy to run Ethereum nodes. Also, statelessness and verkle trees will enable Ethereum to be validated on cell phones eventually. That’s not going to happen with Bitcoin. Also, funny to see Bitcoiners talk about running censoring client implementations for Ordinals.
- josu 3y ago
  >That’s not going to happen with Bitcoin. ??? That has been possible for years: https://github.com/greenaddress/abcore https://github.com/greenaddress/abcore
- tromp 3y ago
  > That’s not going to happen with Bitcoin. It looks like that is going to happen with https://zerosync.org/ https://zerosync.org/ steadily progressing...

CodeCompost 3y ago

GitHub should start introducing energy labels to repos so that they understand the impact they have on the environment.

4pkjai 3y ago
How do you expect them to do that? Also I highly suspect a large portion of people on Github are aware that Bitcoin and other crytpo projects use a lot of energy.
seniorivn 3y ago
even better idea, github should charge repos that have huge environment impact shit load of money, and subsidize those who are good(and probably vote for the right people)
throwthrow1742 3y ago
[dead]

TekMol 3y ago

I have read the whitepaper and followed discussions about the protocol for quite some time, but never looked into the actual software landscape. Bitcoin Core is a "Node", right? A software you run if you want to have the whole history of all Bitcoin transactions of your own hard drive? Therefore I would think it is only used by researchers and analysts?

seniorivn 3y ago
isnt it necessary to run full node to mine bitcoin?
- eru 3y ago
  At least one party in a mining pool has to do so, I guess, but not everyone (nor every computing device) who participates.
- BenoitP 3y ago
  You want to be mining at the tip of the blockchain, otherwise you risk losing the block you're mining as others will not include its digest in their header (and not base the blockchain through your block. it'd be just a leaf in the chain). So you need at least to be aware of the latest blocks. I believe this is achievable with client only. You'd get the block reward, but not the fees. If you want the fees, you need to be aware of potential transactions; and also verify that these are valid (at pain of seeing your block be seen as invalid). So you need to receive that information. Also if you want to publish a block you found, you need to not only listen to information but also publish it to others as well. So yeah, you kind of need to run an up-to-date full node to get both reward and fee. Now, this does not mean that your miners need to be full nodes. These only need the block to be mined (digest of previous block, header, transactions, your public address to giver the reward to) and then they can vary the nonce at the end to start mining. But this block information has to be up quite to date, otherwise you're mining aimlessly. I've read that while switching to a new block, miner setups send block data empty of transactions to be mined: so as not to waste the few tenths of seconds it takes to upload new block data to miners. So you can run an operation with a single central full node that sends blocks to individual miner devices.

K0balt 3y ago

Anyone know what is (or isn’t) being done to secure Bitcoin against quantum attacks? Last I heard it was still “quantum isn’t a problem yet” but I have reasons to believe that even at that time the assertion was untrue.

me_me_me 3y ago
> Anyone know what is being done to secure Bitcoin against quantum attacks? Do you mean that anyone will be concerned with bitcoin saftey after our banking system collapses along with other https dependent traffic (as its no longer http'S' ?
- K0balt 3y ago
  lol. Just going to drop in here that we need to be working on these solutions faster than is commonly known. The SOTA in breaking large swaths of our security infrastructure, including SHA, is much farther along in certain rarified environments than is commonly understood.