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Wouldn't this incentivize Dasher's to... take longer to deliver? This whole model feels screwed up to me.

interactivecode 3y ago
Indeed, it would be better if doordash would just hire full time employees. And vet them before hiring with a regular interview process. Instead of constant punitive surveillance with the threat of instant unemployment. Can you imagine if your dev job was like this? Picking up jobs to write a single function. And if youre too slow, or one too many tests fail you get sacked.
- zachkatz 3y ago
  The “problem” is that many (most?) delivery cyclists in NYC aren’t legally allowed to work, so this option would be jeopardizing a large part of their workforce (bad for DoorDash) while also being bad for the workers themselves (who aren’t exactly swimming in job options). I’m not making a value judgement here, just weighing in with a tradeoff to consider.
  - throwaway2037 3y ago
    many (most?) delivery cyclists in NYC aren’t legally allowed to work Woah. Are you saying these people are illegal immigrants, or don't have a work visa? I never heard this before. That is a bold claim. Do you have any evidence to share? I tried Googling, but I couldn't find anything.
    - zachkatz 3y ago
      Illegal immigrants. Here are some sources: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/15/nyregion/migrant-delivery-unlicensed-moped.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/15/nyregion/migrant-delivery... https://nypost.com/2023/09/20/tidal-wave-of-migrants-in-nyc-sparks-black-market-for-food-delivery-workers/ https://nypost.com/2023/09/20/tidal-wave-of-migrants-in-nyc-... https://gothamist.com/news/doordash-legal-group-set-to-deliver-free-legal-clinics-on-immigration-to-workers https://gothamist.com/news/doordash-legal-group-set-to-deliv...
- xkekjrktllss 3y ago
  >Can you imagine if your dev job was like this? Mine is. We have stack ranking and it's a living nightmare.
  - throwaway2037 3y ago
    Weekly or monthly stack ranking? I doubt it. Probably annual or twice-yearly reviews. And how much of the stack is released for poor performance during each review? 5/10/15%? Still: Nothing compared to being a DoorDash delivery person.
Scoundreller 3y ago
... or incentivize them stop instead of running over pedestrians, ride on roads/bikelanes instead of sidewalks. I know I stay the hell out of the way of by-the-minute "communal" rental cars.
stefan_ 3y ago
And as an additional incentive, DoorDash has decided to fuck with tips!
- deleted 3y ago
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- throwaway2037 3y ago
  Thanks for the info. Can you share more details? Tipping a delivery person always seems bizarre to me. Any reasonable society would just pay a better wage, but instead, the US prefers slave wages plus "tips" to maaaaaaaaybe make a living wage.
  - stefan_ 3y ago
    They reduced the default tip amount, hide tip information from delivery drivers and moved the tipping to after the order, all together ensuring that tipping happens less & for lower amounts.
xboxnolifes 3y ago
Only if you ignore tips.
dashchick386 3y ago
I deliver for door dash as a side gig (supplemental income). If drivers try to milk the system and take an exaggerated amount of time to deliver orders, those drivers will not receive as many offers for orders (messes up their algorithm in the long term). I think the new model encourages people to drive safely and not rush and risk getting into an accident just because they work on tips and are trying to rush through traffic to get their money worth/ time worth for labor. It also does not put pressure on the consumer to tip since the delivery drivers will earn a livable wage. Employers should pay their workers a fair wage, not the consumer.

Indeed, it would be better if doordash would just hire full time employees. And vet them before hiring with a regular interview process. Instead of constant punitive surveillance with the threat of instant unemployment. Can you imagine if your dev job was like this? Picking up jobs to write a single function. And if youre too slow, or one too many tests fail you get sacked.

zachkatz 3y ago
The “problem” is that many (most?) delivery cyclists in NYC aren’t legally allowed to work, so this option would be jeopardizing a large part of their workforce (bad for DoorDash) while also being bad for the workers themselves (who aren’t exactly swimming in job options). I’m not making a value judgement here, just weighing in with a tradeoff to consider.
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  many (most?) delivery cyclists in NYC aren’t legally allowed to work Woah. Are you saying these people are illegal immigrants, or don't have a work visa? I never heard this before. That is a bold claim. Do you have any evidence to share? I tried Googling, but I couldn't find anything.
  - zachkatz 3y ago
    Illegal immigrants. Here are some sources: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/15/nyregion/migrant-delivery-unlicensed-moped.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/15/nyregion/migrant-delivery... https://nypost.com/2023/09/20/tidal-wave-of-migrants-in-nyc-sparks-black-market-for-food-delivery-workers/ https://nypost.com/2023/09/20/tidal-wave-of-migrants-in-nyc-... https://gothamist.com/news/doordash-legal-group-set-to-deliver-free-legal-clinics-on-immigration-to-workers https://gothamist.com/news/doordash-legal-group-set-to-deliv...
xkekjrktllss 3y ago
>Can you imagine if your dev job was like this? Mine is. We have stack ranking and it's a living nightmare.
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  Weekly or monthly stack ranking? I doubt it. Probably annual or twice-yearly reviews. And how much of the stack is released for poor performance during each review? 5/10/15%? Still: Nothing compared to being a DoorDash delivery person.

Scoundreller 3y ago

... or incentivize them stop instead of running over pedestrians, ride on roads/bikelanes instead of sidewalks. I know I stay the hell out of the way of by-the-minute "communal" rental cars.

stefan_ 3y ago

And as an additional incentive, DoorDash has decided to fuck with tips!

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throwaway2037 3y ago
Thanks for the info. Can you share more details? Tipping a delivery person always seems bizarre to me. Any reasonable society would just pay a better wage, but instead, the US prefers slave wages plus "tips" to maaaaaaaaybe make a living wage.
- stefan_ 3y ago
  They reduced the default tip amount, hide tip information from delivery drivers and moved the tipping to after the order, all together ensuring that tipping happens less & for lower amounts.

xboxnolifes 3y ago

Only if you ignore tips.

dashchick386 3y ago

I deliver for door dash as a side gig (supplemental income). If drivers try to milk the system and take an exaggerated amount of time to deliver orders, those drivers will not receive as many offers for orders (messes up their algorithm in the long term). I think the new model encourages people to drive safely and not rush and risk getting into an accident just because they work on tips and are trying to rush through traffic to get their money worth/ time worth for labor. It also does not put pressure on the consumer to tip since the delivery drivers will earn a livable wage. Employers should pay their workers a fair wage, not the consumer.