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Excellent overview but still no timeline for Europe delivery if ever.

by nelsonic 3y ago

pkulak 3y ago
That thing isn't even close to legal in Europe, and never will be. It's a travesty it's legal on public roads anywhere.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  Trucks will always be on public roads, certainly the EU could mandate an exterior pillow for trucks. Anything weighing over 6k will hurt, CT may be safer compared to taller vehicles that will hit the head simultaneously. Also, the future of autonomous driving may change the calculus.
  - realusername 3y ago
    I'm not aware of any personal vehicle you can legally drive in the EU which weight that much. It's outside of a normal car driving license if it's even allowed at all. You would need an actual truck license which nobody has apart from truck and bus drivers.
- everfrustrated 3y ago
  I think there's a valid argument that says with teslas level of AI the vehicles software > crumple zones. I'm not talking self driving but its collision avoidance which there's amazing youtube videos of it cutting in and preventing just insane accidents.
  - conception 3y ago
    So, a cybertruck will never be hit by another car? The AI will dodge it?
- panick21_ 3y ago
  I would argue this is clearly safer then an F-150 and those are legal. The reason being the nose is far higher and that's usually what kill you. It makes a huge difference if you go over a car or not. So unless I see some real testing that shows that this is less safe then an F-150 that's my assumtion. The Cybertruck also has far better visability, with a F-150 you literally can't see a huge space in front of the car. That said, generally I am against these trucks and we should do everything to make them less common. Im wouldn't be sad to not see them here in Europe. There are far better vehicles for work and construction.
whynotmaybe 3y ago
With 3100kg empty, it might be an issue in Europe as standard driving license are for a max total weight of 3500kg for the complete vehicle. In Belgium, this limit also includes trailer so it can't even pull the smallest trailers without requiring a truck driving license. And if it's registered as a truck, it can't go above 90km/h...
- FloatArtifact 3y ago
  Why such strict limits on small trailers?
  - whynotmaybe 3y ago
    Someone, sometime ago decided that a vehicle above 3500kg might have a different behaviour on the road than those under so they decided that to manage a "heavy" vehicle, you had to have special training and a special license. In Belgium, they decided that this limit is the same with or without a trailer so a standard car of 1600kg cannot pull a 2000kg trailer. And someone with a standard license cannot drive a car that weights more than 3500kg. And if you have a car that weights 3100kg, add the driver and passengers, that doesn't leave much room for a trailer. And that's also why there aren't many fifth wheel trailers in Europe.

Excellent overview but still no timeline for Europe delivery if ever.

pkulak 3y ago

That thing isn't even close to legal in Europe, and never will be. It's a travesty it's legal on public roads anywhere.

mensetmanusman 3y ago
Trucks will always be on public roads, certainly the EU could mandate an exterior pillow for trucks. Anything weighing over 6k will hurt, CT may be safer compared to taller vehicles that will hit the head simultaneously. Also, the future of autonomous driving may change the calculus.
- realusername 3y ago
  I'm not aware of any personal vehicle you can legally drive in the EU which weight that much. It's outside of a normal car driving license if it's even allowed at all. You would need an actual truck license which nobody has apart from truck and bus drivers.
everfrustrated 3y ago
I think there's a valid argument that says with teslas level of AI the vehicles software > crumple zones. I'm not talking self driving but its collision avoidance which there's amazing youtube videos of it cutting in and preventing just insane accidents.
- conception 3y ago
  So, a cybertruck will never be hit by another car? The AI will dodge it?
panick21_ 3y ago
I would argue this is clearly safer then an F-150 and those are legal. The reason being the nose is far higher and that's usually what kill you. It makes a huge difference if you go over a car or not. So unless I see some real testing that shows that this is less safe then an F-150 that's my assumtion. The Cybertruck also has far better visability, with a F-150 you literally can't see a huge space in front of the car. That said, generally I am against these trucks and we should do everything to make them less common. Im wouldn't be sad to not see them here in Europe. There are far better vehicles for work and construction.

whynotmaybe 3y ago

With 3100kg empty, it might be an issue in Europe as standard driving license are for a max total weight of 3500kg for the complete vehicle. In Belgium, this limit also includes trailer so it can't even pull the smallest trailers without requiring a truck driving license. And if it's registered as a truck, it can't go above 90km/h...

FloatArtifact 3y ago
Why such strict limits on small trailers?
- whynotmaybe 3y ago
  Someone, sometime ago decided that a vehicle above 3500kg might have a different behaviour on the road than those under so they decided that to manage a "heavy" vehicle, you had to have special training and a special license. In Belgium, they decided that this limit is the same with or without a trailer so a standard car of 1600kg cannot pull a 2000kg trailer. And someone with a standard license cannot drive a car that weights more than 3500kg. And if you have a car that weights 3100kg, add the driver and passengers, that doesn't leave much room for a trailer. And that's also why there aren't many fifth wheel trailers in Europe.