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From what I've read, even Hamas' own leaders were unaware of the Oct 7 attack planning. Maybe the Israeli equivalent of the SEC can figure out who placed these

From what I've read, even Hamas' own leaders were unaware of the Oct 7 attack planning. Maybe the Israeli equivalent of the SEC can figure out who placed these trades.

that_guy_iain 3y ago
These trades were done in US exchanges and would fall under SEC. But considering they didn't investigate all the shorts before 9/11 it's doubtful they'll do much here.
H8crilA 3y ago
Egyptian intelligence knew about it and warned. Moreover there were detailed plans known already about a year earlier: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-h... This is kind of similar, but smaller in scale, to how Ukraine was surprised that there was actually a push on Kyiv from the north with an attempt at decapitating the state. It's one thing to have the intelligence at hand, it's another to have the political power circle believe it.
- miguelazo 3y ago
  There was never a plan to decapitate the Ukrainian state. That is utterly absurd when you consider there were Russian intelligence assets in Zelensky’s inner circle for a very long time. Russia could have killed him day 1 if they wanted to (or before). Encircling Kyiv was merely for negotiating pressure. As evidenced by them withdrawing from that position as part of the ceasefire negotiations in Turkey in the Spring of 2022– the ones that the US and UK undermined, recently confirmed by additional parties.
  - lupusreal 3y ago
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  - meroes 3y ago
    So they left a strong wartime leader in place for their enemy for their upcoming war? Why? Since you’re so sure about intelligence capabilities, why couldn’t the West have known and taken precautions?
    - miguelazo 3y ago
      “Strong wartime leader”? The guy is an actor. Also, he was elected on a platform of making peace. It was the right wing neonazis who scared him into backing off of the platform he was elected on.
  - gpderetta 3y ago
    [citation needed]. A decapitation strike doesn't just remove the leader, it needs to remove the whole (or a significant part) of the government. Additionally Russia likely wanted to replace it with a puppet. It likely wasn't the primary objective, but most likely was an important one.
  - H8crilA 3y ago
    There were multiple assassination attempts at Zelensky, they just failed. Allegedly he was even protected at some point by foreign commandos (possibly French), but this is still rumours. There were also kill lists found when the russian army retreated from Kyiv, clearly aiming at killing the "upper classes" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre for a historic example). BTW, this is what "de-nazification" actually means - purging the elites of their western, meaning "nazi", influences. After all the great nation of Russia is never attacking, always defending, this time again from the evils of the "collective west" meaning "nazi". Russia withdrew because it turned out that their forces are (or at least were) utterly incompetent, and they just cannot continue. They got beaten up. I wish they stayed longer to lose more troops and equipment.
    - miguelazo 3y ago
      >There were multiple assassination attempts at Zelensky, they just failed. Do you have an example of one of these attempts from a credible source?
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  What’s the track record of Egypt’s predictions though? Is it like economists predicting 13 of the last 2 recessions?
- Invictus0 3y ago
  First time I'm hearing about this. What an incredible failure from the Israelis.

From what I've read, even Hamas' own leaders were unaware of the Oct 7 attack planning. Maybe the Israeli equivalent of the SEC can figure out who placed these trades.

that_guy_iain 3y ago

These trades were done in US exchanges and would fall under SEC. But considering they didn't investigate all the shorts before 9/11 it's doubtful they'll do much here.

H8crilA 3y ago

Egyptian intelligence knew about it and warned. Moreover there were detailed plans known already about a year earlier: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-h... This is kind of similar, but smaller in scale, to how Ukraine was surprised that there was actually a push on Kyiv from the north with an attempt at decapitating the state. It's one thing to have the intelligence at hand, it's another to have the political power circle believe it.

miguelazo 3y ago
There was never a plan to decapitate the Ukrainian state. That is utterly absurd when you consider there were Russian intelligence assets in Zelensky’s inner circle for a very long time. Russia could have killed him day 1 if they wanted to (or before). Encircling Kyiv was merely for negotiating pressure. As evidenced by them withdrawing from that position as part of the ceasefire negotiations in Turkey in the Spring of 2022– the ones that the US and UK undermined, recently confirmed by additional parties.
- lupusreal 3y ago
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- meroes 3y ago
  So they left a strong wartime leader in place for their enemy for their upcoming war? Why? Since you’re so sure about intelligence capabilities, why couldn’t the West have known and taken precautions?
  - miguelazo 3y ago
    “Strong wartime leader”? The guy is an actor. Also, he was elected on a platform of making peace. It was the right wing neonazis who scared him into backing off of the platform he was elected on.
- gpderetta 3y ago
  [citation needed]. A decapitation strike doesn't just remove the leader, it needs to remove the whole (or a significant part) of the government. Additionally Russia likely wanted to replace it with a puppet. It likely wasn't the primary objective, but most likely was an important one.
- H8crilA 3y ago
  There were multiple assassination attempts at Zelensky, they just failed. Allegedly he was even protected at some point by foreign commandos (possibly French), but this is still rumours. There were also kill lists found when the russian army retreated from Kyiv, clearly aiming at killing the "upper classes" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre for a historic example). BTW, this is what "de-nazification" actually means - purging the elites of their western, meaning "nazi", influences. After all the great nation of Russia is never attacking, always defending, this time again from the evils of the "collective west" meaning "nazi". Russia withdrew because it turned out that their forces are (or at least were) utterly incompetent, and they just cannot continue. They got beaten up. I wish they stayed longer to lose more troops and equipment.
  - miguelazo 3y ago
    >There were multiple assassination attempts at Zelensky, they just failed. Do you have an example of one of these attempts from a credible source?
Scoundreller 3y ago
What’s the track record of Egypt’s predictions though? Is it like economists predicting 13 of the last 2 recessions?
Invictus0 3y ago
First time I'm hearing about this. What an incredible failure from the Israelis.