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I have eliminated all plant-based calories from my diet and it is just incredible how much better it makes you feel.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
The problem is meat heavy diets then have increase in cardiovascular health problems. What to do ? Eliminate plants and meat? Just eat oreos?
- jononomo 3y ago
  No, people who follow a meat-heavy diet simply have higher cholesterol, not an increase in cardiovascular health problems.
  - shlant 3y ago
    higher LDL cholesterol is causative of ASCVD[1] so no, that's not the case. Stop spreading dangerous, dogmatic, unsubstantiated claims. [1] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoqlTVCWIAI81XY?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoqlTVCWIAI81XY?format=jpg&name=...
    - Chiba-City 3y ago
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  - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
    Perhaps don't focus on cholesterol as the only indicator. Because you have high cholesterol but have not yet died, does not mean it is safe. There are countless studies that show meat based diets impact cardo health. That doesn't mean sugar doesn't also. Or if meat good, then carbs bad, or carbs good, meat bad. It isn't all binary. Generally if you are throwing back a rack of ribs everyday to be 'low carb', then things aren't going to end well for you.
    - jononomo 3y ago
      Higher cholesterol is associated with lower all cause mortality
      - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        man. i'd like to see what study you pulled that from. that is pretty much categorically un-true. <EDIT> I think I see. This claim was so out there I had to look it up. There is actually a 'U' curve. So very low and very high cholestoral is risk. But think this goes back to my point. Health isn't about 'cholesterol' because there is good and bad and the relationship to cardo health isn't clear. You can have high 'good' cholesterol. But, that doesn't mean you can eat ribs everyday. There are other factors.
- jononomo 3y ago
  Oreos are vegan -- they would count as plant-based calories in my system. I don't eat any calories that are not animal-based. That includes fruit, nuts, vegetable oils, etc, along with standard vegetables.
msk-lywenn 3y ago
What's that like? What do you eat?
- jononomo 3y ago
  I eat eggs, bacon, beef, and salmon. More than half my calories, maybe more than 75%, come from beef. One thing you notice is that because there is no fiber or sugar (or carbs of any kind) in the diet, you end up basically never farting -- and the volume of your poop decreases by something like 80%. You also hold a lot less water weight, your tolerance for alcohol decreases dramatically (although if you were strict about the diet you wouldn't be consuming alcohol anyway), you seem to have much less nasal congestion, and heartburn completely disappears. And your skin feels better. I've looked into it, and this diet is nutritionally complete -- it is not lacking in any vitamins or minerals. Fresh meat even contains some vitamin C. You can eat some sardines from time to time for extra calcium. On the whole I can't recommend this diet enough -- you end up in phenomenal shape.
  - sdenton4 3y ago
    On the other hand, global warming (methane emissions from beef), water crisis (water to grow feed, instead of water to grow food), and wanton animal cruelty (most meat and eggs are industrially farmed and ethically dubious). It's a diet with lots of externalities, which really shouldn't scale up - Atkins and Paleo were disasters, really. (And it's worth reading about the long term research on the Atkins diet: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkins_diet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkins_diet ) Worth considering whether you can get similar effects with, say, 50% of the calories coming from plants. It sounds like you're mainly after carb- or gluten-free, which is quite doable without resorting to an all meat diet.
    - nightski 3y ago
      Meh beef emissions are 3% of the emissions in the U.S. That and they could even be far lower with food additives. Globally it's higher but that is because of poor farming practices and very loose/negative regulation. I did keto for 8 years and it was fantastic. I am no longer on it for other reasons that have nothing to do with the diet itself.
elric 3y ago
Food science is crazy and unreliable (difficult to perform relevant research, many confounding factors, often sponsored by groups with questionable motives, etc). But food anecdata seems just as crazy. Do you eat fibre? Or do you shit literal bricks?
- SiempreViernes 3y ago
  Doesn't the absence of fibre lead to the opposite: a pleasant stream out the ass?
  - fennecbutt 3y ago
    Oh my god, I laughed so hard. Thank you.
  - danaris 3y ago
    Nnnno; lack of fiber leads to chronic constipation. There was a period in my life where I experienced this firsthand. Do not recommend.
  - jononomo 3y ago
    This is correct. The volume of your poop decrease by 80% and bowel movements become much easier.
- jononomo 3y ago
  I eat no fiber. If you would just try this diet for yourself then you would realize, just like tens of thousands of other people have, that it makes your bowel movements much smaller and much easier. Literally everyone who tries this diet notices this effect. You spend 80% less time in the bathroom.
  - elric 3y ago
    What makes you think that smaller stools are somehow better? Smooth, bulky stools with a decent amount of fibre and moisture are ideal. Makes for easier travel, easier passing, and little (or no) wiping. I'm not interested in spending 80% less time on the toilet (going from less than a minute to 10 seconds just seems like a pointless optimization). I'm also not too interested in the purported anecdotal experience of "tens of thousands" of other people. This diet seems like a terrible idea, both from a bowel health point of view, a climate point of view, and quite frankly a taste point of view. Not eating vegetables/fibre seems like a miserable existence.
mistrial9 3y ago
I know two people that went this "all-meat" way for whatever reasons - one definitely damaged their stomach and GI tract in a serious way.
dennis_jeeves2 3y ago
Been doing it myself. 12 years and counting...

The problem is meat heavy diets then have increase in cardiovascular health problems. What to do ? Eliminate plants and meat? Just eat oreos?

jononomo 3y ago
No, people who follow a meat-heavy diet simply have higher cholesterol, not an increase in cardiovascular health problems.
- shlant 3y ago
  higher LDL cholesterol is causative of ASCVD[1] so no, that's not the case. Stop spreading dangerous, dogmatic, unsubstantiated claims. [1] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoqlTVCWIAI81XY?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoqlTVCWIAI81XY?format=jpg&name=...
  - Chiba-City 3y ago
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- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  Perhaps don't focus on cholesterol as the only indicator. Because you have high cholesterol but have not yet died, does not mean it is safe. There are countless studies that show meat based diets impact cardo health. That doesn't mean sugar doesn't also. Or if meat good, then carbs bad, or carbs good, meat bad. It isn't all binary. Generally if you are throwing back a rack of ribs everyday to be 'low carb', then things aren't going to end well for you.
  - jononomo 3y ago
    Higher cholesterol is associated with lower all cause mortality
    - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
      man. i'd like to see what study you pulled that from. that is pretty much categorically un-true. <EDIT> I think I see. This claim was so out there I had to look it up. There is actually a 'U' curve. So very low and very high cholestoral is risk. But think this goes back to my point. Health isn't about 'cholesterol' because there is good and bad and the relationship to cardo health isn't clear. You can have high 'good' cholesterol. But, that doesn't mean you can eat ribs everyday. There are other factors.
jononomo 3y ago
Oreos are vegan -- they would count as plant-based calories in my system. I don't eat any calories that are not animal-based. That includes fruit, nuts, vegetable oils, etc, along with standard vegetables.

msk-lywenn 3y ago

What's that like? What do you eat?

jononomo 3y ago
I eat eggs, bacon, beef, and salmon. More than half my calories, maybe more than 75%, come from beef. One thing you notice is that because there is no fiber or sugar (or carbs of any kind) in the diet, you end up basically never farting -- and the volume of your poop decreases by something like 80%. You also hold a lot less water weight, your tolerance for alcohol decreases dramatically (although if you were strict about the diet you wouldn't be consuming alcohol anyway), you seem to have much less nasal congestion, and heartburn completely disappears. And your skin feels better. I've looked into it, and this diet is nutritionally complete -- it is not lacking in any vitamins or minerals. Fresh meat even contains some vitamin C. You can eat some sardines from time to time for extra calcium. On the whole I can't recommend this diet enough -- you end up in phenomenal shape.
- sdenton4 3y ago
  On the other hand, global warming (methane emissions from beef), water crisis (water to grow feed, instead of water to grow food), and wanton animal cruelty (most meat and eggs are industrially farmed and ethically dubious). It's a diet with lots of externalities, which really shouldn't scale up - Atkins and Paleo were disasters, really. (And it's worth reading about the long term research on the Atkins diet: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkins_diet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkins_diet ) Worth considering whether you can get similar effects with, say, 50% of the calories coming from plants. It sounds like you're mainly after carb- or gluten-free, which is quite doable without resorting to an all meat diet.
  - nightski 3y ago
    Meh beef emissions are 3% of the emissions in the U.S. That and they could even be far lower with food additives. Globally it's higher but that is because of poor farming practices and very loose/negative regulation. I did keto for 8 years and it was fantastic. I am no longer on it for other reasons that have nothing to do with the diet itself.

elric 3y ago

Food science is crazy and unreliable (difficult to perform relevant research, many confounding factors, often sponsored by groups with questionable motives, etc). But food anecdata seems just as crazy. Do you eat fibre? Or do you shit literal bricks?

SiempreViernes 3y ago
Doesn't the absence of fibre lead to the opposite: a pleasant stream out the ass?
- fennecbutt 3y ago
  Oh my god, I laughed so hard. Thank you.
- danaris 3y ago
  Nnnno; lack of fiber leads to chronic constipation. There was a period in my life where I experienced this firsthand. Do not recommend.
- jononomo 3y ago
  This is correct. The volume of your poop decrease by 80% and bowel movements become much easier.
jononomo 3y ago
I eat no fiber. If you would just try this diet for yourself then you would realize, just like tens of thousands of other people have, that it makes your bowel movements much smaller and much easier. Literally everyone who tries this diet notices this effect. You spend 80% less time in the bathroom.
- elric 3y ago
  What makes you think that smaller stools are somehow better? Smooth, bulky stools with a decent amount of fibre and moisture are ideal. Makes for easier travel, easier passing, and little (or no) wiping. I'm not interested in spending 80% less time on the toilet (going from less than a minute to 10 seconds just seems like a pointless optimization). I'm also not too interested in the purported anecdotal experience of "tens of thousands" of other people. This diet seems like a terrible idea, both from a bowel health point of view, a climate point of view, and quite frankly a taste point of view. Not eating vegetables/fibre seems like a miserable existence.

mistrial9 3y ago

I know two people that went this "all-meat" way for whatever reasons - one definitely damaged their stomach and GI tract in a serious way.

dennis_jeeves2 3y ago

Been doing it myself. 12 years and counting...