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What is going to save the Linux desktop is: - sovereignty over your own computer - no forced ads, telemetry or surveillance - the altruistic forces in this w

• amelius 3y ago
  Where does Wayland fit in that picture?
  • c0pium 3y ago
    That’s their point. It doesn’t.
  • intrasight 3y ago
    I assume by providing a better user experience compared to X11. I've not yet used Wayland so I can't comment about if it does.
  • charcircuit 3y ago
    Presumably to prevent people from being instantly pwned when trying to run the latest "ad free" version of some software or compiling some random person's code.
  • ohfoydoyd 3y ago
    wayland brings in a new security model. x11 is wild -- any client can snarf data from any other client at will. any game on steam can screenshot your bank details when it sees a window open with the right title
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• corethree 3y ago
  No this is less important than ease of use and the feeling of using a good premium product. Apple has demonstrated this in spades. What you present here is a personal opinion, but consumers in general want premium tools that work. All the side stuff like telemetry and morality are orthogonal to that goal.
  • c0pium 3y ago
    The attitude that software freedom is what users crave above all else is the single most damaging thing about the desktop Linux movement.
    • pixel8account 3y ago
      But this is what hobbyist developers care about, which is what ultimately matters.
      • corethree 3y ago
        Most web developers use mac. Only the most hardcore ones use linux. For gaming developers are pretty much majority windows developers. Developers go with what works. Linux works for web servers, so it's an option. It also works for desktop, but why aren't developers all using PCs with Linux installed? Same reason why ordinary people don't use linux. They want the premium feel. They don't like the jankiness that comes with linux. >which is what ultimately matters. This isn't true. What developers like is not what ultimately matters. We are a small portion of the overall population. It is the population of people that dictates what matters and if a developer wants to change the world they have to target the population. Why is javascript popular? Because most of the population uses javascript in their browsers. It had nothing to do with developers loving javascript. In fact, javascript is a pretty poorly designed language.
        • 29athrowaway 3y ago
          There is no reason to use macOS as a web developer unless you do graphic design.
          • corethree 3y ago
            You don't get out much do you? macOS is the overwhelming choice for web development, both front end and backend. Linux is a huge minority. I know your type. You're the type of guy who likes to characterize himself as an ultra rational automaton. And you carry yourself that way pretending why you don't understand why people would irrationally use anything other that linux for web development. Do you exclusively use vim too? No need for graphics or a gui or a mouse, all you need is letters? Yeah I can see it. I think the reality of it all is that you're just trying to be different, trying to act like you're better. But deep down you totally get why someone who's not a graphic designer would use a mac. I think there's one thing you don't know anymore though. The whole macs are only for "graphic designers" is a two decade old thing of the past. Macs are mainstream now. You go anywhere in silicon valley they will more likely be using a mac then they will windows or linux this goes for both developers and office workers. "Graphic design" isn't even a term that's used anymore, they call themselves UI/UX designers.
• lakomen 3y ago
  Fedora and Ubuntu would like to object