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Jenkins works... No it dosen't or maybe it does for java which I don't care about. The ui looks like from the 90s. Finding anything in bigger projects/compan

Jenkins works... No it dosen't or maybe it does for java which I don't care about. The ui looks like from the 90s. Finding anything in bigger projects/companies is impossible... I have browser bookmarks to find anything. The log view is annoying at best. I have nothing good to say about jenkins, it feels like it is stuck in the 2000s and refuses to change.

colordrops 3y ago
"refuses to change". Is there an active team working on it or is this anthropomorphism of a software project?
xp84 3y ago
The 90s were the last actual advance in UI design anyway. Design has drifted in a terrible direction, in the past decade or two especially. Some of this is justified (by some) by optimizing for mobile, but that’s precisely the kind of thing I wouldn’t want creeping into my CI tooling anyway. I don’t do that on a phone.
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- dangus 3y ago
  This idea that design peaked in the 90s does a big hand wave over a whole bunch of horrible examples of the user interface from that era. Is the Space Jam website peak UI design? What about Microsoft’s “hell of tabs” settings dialog boxes? Or the original Amazon home page: https://www.versionmuseum.com/images/websites/amazon-website/amazon-website%5E1997%5Eamzn-homepage-restored.png https://www.versionmuseum.com/images/websites/amazon-website... What link do I click to find my order status? Where do I go to search for a book by keyword? What will happen if I click the link for “first time customers click here?” Same deal with Yahoo!, what to the “new” and “cool” and “more yahoos” buttons do? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JAp1M-Q_0_Y/TkAwsyueWxI/AAAAAAAAAMk/EO918aOa_TM/s1600/1996_yahoo_internetexplorer.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JAp1M-Q_0_Y/TkAwsyueWxI/AAAAAAAAAM... If I want to check a build status on my phone what’s the excuse for the web page to not display nicely on that device? You really think there’s no good reason for me to want to do that? Doesn’t modern CSS allow you to completely customize the viewing experience for both platforms in the same codebase?
  - wharvle 3y ago
    Desktop program UI design mostly peaked in the 90s (search-to-launch becoming ubiquitous is about the only really good thing to happen since then). Desktop web design peaked somewhat later, in the two- and three-column era. ‘00s. It was nice when most sites looked and worked about the same way, and that way also happened to have great info density for a desktop screen. Mobile web design, I’m not sure it’s had a peak yet. Phone os UI peak was iOS6.
    - dangus 3y ago
      > Phone os UI peak was iOS6. I couldn't disagree more strongly with this. The UI can't just be considered on its own without a discussion of the underlying functionality that it presents. iOS6 is like a caveman's OS compared to what today's OS versions can accomplish. So it may be true that iOS felt simple and intuitive, but it was also presenting so much less functionality that it really makes broad comparisons seem disingenuous.
      - wharvle 3y ago
        Most of the important functionality that’s been added didn’t require the changes to UI that I consider a downgrade.
        dangus 3y ago
        The UI absolutely has to change to accommodate new functionality. New functionality means more “buttons and switches” to contend with. For example, iMessage didn’t used to have any app integration to insert things. It used to be pictures/videos and text. Now it has the ability to insert a whole bunch of things and from a variety of first and third party apps. It can handle things like payments and location sharing. There has to be some kind of UI to handle that, and arguably there’s no way it can be “as clean” as an older version of the OS that simply didn’t have that functionality. Another example: AirPlay 2 allows you to cast to multiple speakers at the same time and adjust volumes individually. You can also send audio from one app to one speaker and a different app to a different speaker and still play audio on the phone itself. So, now the AirPlay interface has radio buttons and more volume sliders, and it has a way to change which device’s audio you are controlling, and it has to fit and make sense somehow. When the iPhone started there was just one volume bar for everything, so of course that UI was more intuitive - but it was also far less capable.
- IshKebab 3y ago
  For desktop apps maybe. Not for websites though. Jenkins has an absolutely objectively terrible UI. Super ugly, inconsistent and incomprehensible. I've used Buildbot, Travis, Gitlab, GitHub and Teamcity. None of them are anywhere near as bad as Jenkins. Even Buildbot has a much much saner UI and that's a weird Python CI system that practically nobody uses. Jenkins is just an objectively terrible choice.

colordrops 3y ago

"refuses to change". Is there an active team working on it or is this anthropomorphism of a software project?

xp84 3y ago

The 90s were the last actual advance in UI design anyway. Design has drifted in a terrible direction, in the past decade or two especially. Some of this is justified (by some) by optimizing for mobile, but that’s precisely the kind of thing I wouldn’t want creeping into my CI tooling anyway. I don’t do that on a phone.

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dangus 3y ago
This idea that design peaked in the 90s does a big hand wave over a whole bunch of horrible examples of the user interface from that era. Is the Space Jam website peak UI design? What about Microsoft’s “hell of tabs” settings dialog boxes? Or the original Amazon home page: https://www.versionmuseum.com/images/websites/amazon-website/amazon-website%5E1997%5Eamzn-homepage-restored.png https://www.versionmuseum.com/images/websites/amazon-website... What link do I click to find my order status? Where do I go to search for a book by keyword? What will happen if I click the link for “first time customers click here?” Same deal with Yahoo!, what to the “new” and “cool” and “more yahoos” buttons do? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JAp1M-Q_0_Y/TkAwsyueWxI/AAAAAAAAAMk/EO918aOa_TM/s1600/1996_yahoo_internetexplorer.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JAp1M-Q_0_Y/TkAwsyueWxI/AAAAAAAAAM... If I want to check a build status on my phone what’s the excuse for the web page to not display nicely on that device? You really think there’s no good reason for me to want to do that? Doesn’t modern CSS allow you to completely customize the viewing experience for both platforms in the same codebase?
- wharvle 3y ago
  Desktop program UI design mostly peaked in the 90s (search-to-launch becoming ubiquitous is about the only really good thing to happen since then). Desktop web design peaked somewhat later, in the two- and three-column era. ‘00s. It was nice when most sites looked and worked about the same way, and that way also happened to have great info density for a desktop screen. Mobile web design, I’m not sure it’s had a peak yet. Phone os UI peak was iOS6.
  - dangus 3y ago
    > Phone os UI peak was iOS6. I couldn't disagree more strongly with this. The UI can't just be considered on its own without a discussion of the underlying functionality that it presents. iOS6 is like a caveman's OS compared to what today's OS versions can accomplish. So it may be true that iOS felt simple and intuitive, but it was also presenting so much less functionality that it really makes broad comparisons seem disingenuous.
    - wharvle 3y ago
      Most of the important functionality that’s been added didn’t require the changes to UI that I consider a downgrade.
      - dangus 3y ago
        The UI absolutely has to change to accommodate new functionality. New functionality means more “buttons and switches” to contend with. For example, iMessage didn’t used to have any app integration to insert things. It used to be pictures/videos and text. Now it has the ability to insert a whole bunch of things and from a variety of first and third party apps. It can handle things like payments and location sharing. There has to be some kind of UI to handle that, and arguably there’s no way it can be “as clean” as an older version of the OS that simply didn’t have that functionality. Another example: AirPlay 2 allows you to cast to multiple speakers at the same time and adjust volumes individually. You can also send audio from one app to one speaker and a different app to a different speaker and still play audio on the phone itself. So, now the AirPlay interface has radio buttons and more volume sliders, and it has a way to change which device’s audio you are controlling, and it has to fit and make sense somehow. When the iPhone started there was just one volume bar for everything, so of course that UI was more intuitive - but it was also far less capable.
IshKebab 3y ago
For desktop apps maybe. Not for websites though. Jenkins has an absolutely objectively terrible UI. Super ugly, inconsistent and incomprehensible. I've used Buildbot, Travis, Gitlab, GitHub and Teamcity. None of them are anywhere near as bad as Jenkins. Even Buildbot has a much much saner UI and that's a weird Python CI system that practically nobody uses. Jenkins is just an objectively terrible choice.