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I wonder why do you have the perception that half the world would attack the US if they didn't have the largest military force. Why doesn't that happen to Aust

I wonder why do you have the perception that half the world would attack the US if they didn't have the largest military force. Why doesn't that happen to Austria, for example, or China? Perhaps "fucking" with the world is what caused the US to be considered an enemy by so many countries. Almost like the more they impose their force globally, the more other countries feel the need to resist it.

inglor_cz 3y ago
Not the OP, but I don't understand how you parsed his argument into "I wonder why do you have the perception that half the world would attack the US if they didn't have the largest military force" There is absolutely nothing insinuating this perception in his comment. He says that without the US Navy, there would be a lot more piracy on the high seas, and he is likely right. The historical experience from all corners of the world confirms that weakening naval control leads to increase in opportunistic piracy all around. Piracy is one of the oldest organized criminal activities in the world and most civilizations, including the really old ones (like Ancient Egypt) had to deal with it this way or another.
- pastacacioepepe 3y ago
  > There is absolutely nothing insinuating this perception in his comment. From OP: > Nukes mean that no nation-state will attack us openly. The Navy means that fucking with the US is a personal death sentence.
  - devilbunny 3y ago
    Right. But I’m not saying people are dying to attack the US. They largely don’t care about us. I’m saying that you can play games with, say, Austria, that you can’t with the US. And yes, we will hunt you down. Does that make us bad people? No, it’s the consequence of power. If you don’t use it, someone else will. And the US has done a lot of bad things - but name what other country capable of doing it you would prefer to be in charge. Monaco isn’t an option.
    - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
      I get your point of view, but I believe in a multipolar world where no single country can set the rules unilaterally. China has shown us that you can modernize a country and make it a global actor without imposing yourself as a hegemon, and I choose that as a role model.
      - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        > China has shown us that you can modernize a country and make it a global actor without imposing yourself as a hegemon, and I choose that as a role model. Don’t tell China’s neighbors this. The reason they are so friendly with the USA ATM is that China has long aspired to being (and often is) the regional hegemon (and it’s a huge region).
        pastacacioepepe 3y ago
        Well why shouldn't China aspire to it? The US are the regional hegemon of the americas anyway, and we all know how much blood was spilled to accomplish that. Latin americans had to be subjugated with brutal anti-communist dictatorships and the US are the ones who made it happen. Look at what they're doing to Cuba as a punishment for freeing themselves from Batista, the fascist puppet the US forced as a leader in order to protect their interests there.
        seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        China has around 2-3 thousand years of history in trolling its neighbors, so this is just a normal thing, they've never really been a "peaceful" country (but very few countries have). America has only been around for 2-3 hundred years? Oh, it isn't peaceful either. You could say the same thing about China invading Vietnam because the Vietnamese overthrew their puppet Pol Pot in Cambodia, that guy said to be even worse than Batista because he literally killed a few million people. But then again, the USA and China were allies at the time (the USA tacitly supported Pol Pot as well, as the enemy of their enemy I guess).
      - 3y ago
devilbunny 3y ago
The US is not the nicest country in the world. It is, however, the global hegemon. China is a major world power, as the home of the oldest semi-continuous civilization in the world. Austria is a bunch of ski slopes and lakes. My ancestry is Irish and British. We were apes painting ourselves blue when China was building a world. Austria is beautiful. But it hasn’t been a power for 100 years. Being in control means making enemies of everyone else who wants to be in control. The US is not an innocent bystander, but you could have worse. Don’t forget that.

inglor_cz 3y ago

Not the OP, but I don't understand how you parsed his argument into "I wonder why do you have the perception that half the world would attack the US if they didn't have the largest military force" There is absolutely nothing insinuating this perception in his comment. He says that without the US Navy, there would be a lot more piracy on the high seas, and he is likely right. The historical experience from all corners of the world confirms that weakening naval control leads to increase in opportunistic piracy all around. Piracy is one of the oldest organized criminal activities in the world and most civilizations, including the really old ones (like Ancient Egypt) had to deal with it this way or another.

pastacacioepepe 3y ago
> There is absolutely nothing insinuating this perception in his comment. From OP: > Nukes mean that no nation-state will attack us openly. The Navy means that fucking with the US is a personal death sentence.
- devilbunny 3y ago
  Right. But I’m not saying people are dying to attack the US. They largely don’t care about us. I’m saying that you can play games with, say, Austria, that you can’t with the US. And yes, we will hunt you down. Does that make us bad people? No, it’s the consequence of power. If you don’t use it, someone else will. And the US has done a lot of bad things - but name what other country capable of doing it you would prefer to be in charge. Monaco isn’t an option.
  - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
    I get your point of view, but I believe in a multipolar world where no single country can set the rules unilaterally. China has shown us that you can modernize a country and make it a global actor without imposing yourself as a hegemon, and I choose that as a role model.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      > China has shown us that you can modernize a country and make it a global actor without imposing yourself as a hegemon, and I choose that as a role model. Don’t tell China’s neighbors this. The reason they are so friendly with the USA ATM is that China has long aspired to being (and often is) the regional hegemon (and it’s a huge region).
      - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
        Well why shouldn't China aspire to it? The US are the regional hegemon of the americas anyway, and we all know how much blood was spilled to accomplish that. Latin americans had to be subjugated with brutal anti-communist dictatorships and the US are the ones who made it happen. Look at what they're doing to Cuba as a punishment for freeing themselves from Batista, the fascist puppet the US forced as a leader in order to protect their interests there.
        seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        China has around 2-3 thousand years of history in trolling its neighbors, so this is just a normal thing, they've never really been a "peaceful" country (but very few countries have). America has only been around for 2-3 hundred years? Oh, it isn't peaceful either. You could say the same thing about China invading Vietnam because the Vietnamese overthrew their puppet Pol Pot in Cambodia, that guy said to be even worse than Batista because he literally killed a few million people. But then again, the USA and China were allies at the time (the USA tacitly supported Pol Pot as well, as the enemy of their enemy I guess).
    - 3y ago

devilbunny 3y ago

The US is not the nicest country in the world. It is, however, the global hegemon. China is a major world power, as the home of the oldest semi-continuous civilization in the world. Austria is a bunch of ski slopes and lakes. My ancestry is Irish and British. We were apes painting ourselves blue when China was building a world. Austria is beautiful. But it hasn’t been a power for 100 years. Being in control means making enemies of everyone else who wants to be in control. The US is not an innocent bystander, but you could have worse. Don’t forget that.