4 ms·

The headline on the website says first US band to do so, but Tupac was “resurrected” as a hologram a long time ago. Is this about the IL&M tech? Obviously ther

by bhpm 3y ago

The headline on the website says first US band to do so, but Tupac was “resurrected” as a hologram a long time ago. Is this about the IL&M tech? Obviously there is a market for this band, since they performed at Madison Square Garden, but I wonder how “eternal” such acts will be if/once the technology becomes mainstream.

devilbunny 3y ago
Kiss was known for putting on a show. Much like Taylor Swift is nowadays. You might not love her music, but by all accounts Ms Swift is one of the best entertainers that has ever lived. People who hate her songs love her shows. Rush toured with Kiss. Probably the most technically talented band in history said “yeah, we knew how to make music, but those guys taught us how to put on a show”.
- coldtea 3y ago
  I wish music concerts weren't about putting on a show in any way except musicians playing their stuff... maybe some atmospheric lighting and that's it. No smoke machines, no light shows, no multi-stage crap, no cranes, not background scenery, no shit...
  - wormius 3y ago
    My friend let me tell you the good news of an Autechre show.
    - coldtea 3y ago
      Well, most folk and jazz and blues and indie shows as well, including indie electronic acts.
      - wormius 3y ago
        Autechre goes complete lights out. Maybe not completely - depending on venue rules, but they try to go as dark as possible. Metro in Minneapolis 2005 was the literal darkest show I've ever been to, barely could see in front of me. Just sound and the presence of others... Amazing show.
        coldtea 3y ago
        Nice. Used to listen to them a lot around early 00s, but never been to a live show.
        an_aparallel 3y ago
        They're a crapshoot live, moments of profundity with a tonne of drivel.
        ClimaxGravely 3y ago
        As someone who doesn't like concerts and is a big Autechre fan. That sounds amazing.
  - nightshift1 3y ago
    You might as well play the cd at home then.
    - coldtea 3y ago
      The difference between a recording and a live gig (that relates to music) is a fixed artifact vs live in-the-monent playing (improvising, imperfections, reacting to the audience's and night's flow and energy, vulnerability, and so on). Apparently some people think it's the light show, background settings, smoke machines, makeup, and general clowning about. It's rather them that might as well go to watch some Michal Bay flick on IMAX then - as they aren't interested in the musical performance.
tw04 3y ago
I'd imagine it means the first band to do it before death. Both 2pac and Michael Jackson have virtual performances and have for some time - but it was granted by their estates, not the artist themselves.
- bhpm 3y ago
  “U.S.” then is a doing a lot of heavy lifting. Gorillaz has been a virtual band since inception and already has “Avatars” that play live. Although, the humans are also there.
  - tw04 3y ago
    You're conflating two things. What we're talking about is holographic avatars REPLACING the artists at a concert. The Gorillaz band members are absolutely at their live concerts. The Avatars are for music videos, and sometimes make an appearance on video screens as an augment to their live performances. 2pac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCRaElPN5pY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCRaElPN5pY MJ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5OnW06m0Jk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5OnW06m0Jk Gorillaz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZW4SGVbhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZW4SGVbhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9RTJIrM57o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9RTJIrM57o
    - bhpm 3y ago
      I get the difference. I just don’t see this KISS thing as a particularly large leap. I guess I haven’t seen the KISS thing so it’s hard to judge.
      - tw04 3y ago
        There is no KISS thing yet. The whole story is that KISS has proactively given their label permission to do a hologram of them when they’re done touring. No other artist has done that while still alive (according to the article).
devonbleak 3y ago
I saw the Coachella Tupac "hologram" - it was just a video that got played on a slanted piece of glass for one verse of a song. It was cool the first time as a surprise but no real longevity. My reading/understanding is this is virtual avatars that use performance capture and extend that with AI to put on a performance more than just a recorded video - I'd expect variations across performances and potentially some kind of interactivity with the crowd. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of this and how it compares as bands I follow/like start to adopt it (and who gets the money).

by bhpm 3y ago

devilbunny 3y ago

Kiss was known for putting on a show. Much like Taylor Swift is nowadays. You might not love her music, but by all accounts Ms Swift is one of the best entertainers that has ever lived. People who hate her songs love her shows. Rush toured with Kiss. Probably the most technically talented band in history said “yeah, we knew how to make music, but those guys taught us how to put on a show”.

coldtea 3y ago
I wish music concerts weren't about putting on a show in any way except musicians playing their stuff... maybe some atmospheric lighting and that's it. No smoke machines, no light shows, no multi-stage crap, no cranes, not background scenery, no shit...
- wormius 3y ago
  My friend let me tell you the good news of an Autechre show.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    Well, most folk and jazz and blues and indie shows as well, including indie electronic acts.
    - wormius 3y ago
      Autechre goes complete lights out. Maybe not completely - depending on venue rules, but they try to go as dark as possible. Metro in Minneapolis 2005 was the literal darkest show I've ever been to, barely could see in front of me. Just sound and the presence of others... Amazing show.
      - coldtea 3y ago
        Nice. Used to listen to them a lot around early 00s, but never been to a live show.
        an_aparallel 3y ago
        They're a crapshoot live, moments of profundity with a tonne of drivel.
      - ClimaxGravely 3y ago
        As someone who doesn't like concerts and is a big Autechre fan. That sounds amazing.
- nightshift1 3y ago
  You might as well play the cd at home then.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    The difference between a recording and a live gig (that relates to music) is a fixed artifact vs live in-the-monent playing (improvising, imperfections, reacting to the audience's and night's flow and energy, vulnerability, and so on). Apparently some people think it's the light show, background settings, smoke machines, makeup, and general clowning about. It's rather them that might as well go to watch some Michal Bay flick on IMAX then - as they aren't interested in the musical performance.

tw04 3y ago

I'd imagine it means the first band to do it before death. Both 2pac and Michael Jackson have virtual performances and have for some time - but it was granted by their estates, not the artist themselves.

bhpm 3y ago
“U.S.” then is a doing a lot of heavy lifting. Gorillaz has been a virtual band since inception and already has “Avatars” that play live. Although, the humans are also there.
- tw04 3y ago
  You're conflating two things. What we're talking about is holographic avatars REPLACING the artists at a concert. The Gorillaz band members are absolutely at their live concerts. The Avatars are for music videos, and sometimes make an appearance on video screens as an augment to their live performances. 2pac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCRaElPN5pY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCRaElPN5pY MJ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5OnW06m0Jk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5OnW06m0Jk Gorillaz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZW4SGVbhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZW4SGVbhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9RTJIrM57o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9RTJIrM57o
  - bhpm 3y ago
    I get the difference. I just don’t see this KISS thing as a particularly large leap. I guess I haven’t seen the KISS thing so it’s hard to judge.
    - tw04 3y ago
      There is no KISS thing yet. The whole story is that KISS has proactively given their label permission to do a hologram of them when they’re done touring. No other artist has done that while still alive (according to the article).

devonbleak 3y ago

I saw the Coachella Tupac "hologram" - it was just a video that got played on a slanted piece of glass for one verse of a song. It was cool the first time as a surprise but no real longevity. My reading/understanding is this is virtual avatars that use performance capture and extend that with AI to put on a performance more than just a recorded video - I'd expect variations across performances and potentially some kind of interactivity with the crowd. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of this and how it compares as bands I follow/like start to adopt it (and who gets the money).