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This kind of stuff is the reason why Altman was fired. The board lost trust for his honesty from many small things that kept accumulating. Altman is back on co
by nabla9 3y ago
This kind of stuff is the reason why Altman was fired.
The board lost trust for his honesty from many small things that kept accumulating. Altman is back on condition that there is a investigation.
- keep_reading 3y agoYou don't know that for a fact, you're speculating
- loceng 3y agoIronically you're making an assumption, speculating, and maybe they do know that for a fact - but we just don't simply know why they'd know, or if it's true. The best you can say is we don't know for sure. But considering the board initially fired him for being dishonest/lying in an ongoing fashion, and the board wouldn't do the firing without evidence they could back it up with, it's not so hard to extrapolate that a return would be conditional on a deeper investigation and "full" cooperation.
- keep_reading 3y ago> and the board wouldn't do the firing without evidence they could back it up with Where's the evidence then? Why did they reinstate him if they had such amazing evidence of wrongdoing?
- FireBeyond 3y agoI didn't think the board reinstated him. Or not that board. That board was completely replaced.
- nabla9 3y agoThe firing was about "Altman not being honest with the board." Since then, journalists have talked to both sides on and off the record and confirmed that the only reason for firing was distrust for Altman's honesty. Altman's history seems to match. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/11/22/sam-altman-fired-y-combinator-paul-graham/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/11/22/sam-alt... >Four years ago, one of Altman’s mentors, Y Combinator founder Paul Graham, flew from the United Kingdom to San Francisco to give his protégé the boot, according to three people familiar with the incident, which has not been previously reported. .... he flew across the Atlantic with concerns that the company’s president put his own interests ahead of the organization — worries that would be echoed by OpenAI’s board. >A separate concern, unrelated to his initial firing, was that Altman personally invested in start-ups he discovered through the incubator using a fund he created with his brother Jack — a kind of double-dipping for personal enrichment that was practiced by other founders and later limited by the organization. “It was the school of loose management that is all about prioritizing what’s in it for me,”
- FartyMcFarter 3y agoThere has also been at least one former OpenAI employee stating that Altman lied to him multiple times [1]. By itself this wouldn't be worth much, but it adds to the claims of Altman not being an honest guy. [1] https://x.com/geoffreyirving/status/1726754277618491416?s=20 https://x.com/geoffreyirving/status/1726754277618491416?s=20
- xyzzy4747 3y agoMaybe Altman values achieving a particular goal more than honesty.
- pseudalopex 3y agoEveryone who lies values something more than honesty. What is your point?
- nl 3y agoMost of the stories about the firing included the fact that Altman was raising money for a chip startup from middle eastern funds. It sounds a lot like background briefing to me...
- jstummbillig 3y agoWhat is "this kind of stuff"? I am confused as to what the accusation is. I understand that you should be looked at closely and scrutinised when there is a possible conflict of interest, but why would it be okay to vaguely assume foul play when it could just be someone who is committed to making something work? Better/more infrastructure is needed, as is evident every time I send a query to openai/ms. What is bad about trying to make it happen yourself, if you think you can, specially if your other businesses capabilities depend on it?
- nabla9 3y ago>What is bad about trying to make it happen yourself, "So committed I can't be honest"?? If you can't be honest and inform people of possible conflicts of interest, it is bad and you know yourself it's bad.
- bostonsre 3y agoWe don't know if they had a rigorous internal debate where they evaluated all of the options or if it was a decision made from above. We don't know how the chips perform, if there are alternatives, and if there are alternatives, how the price compares.
- s1gnp0st 3y agoIt looks like people are down-voting this comment based upon a difference of opinion, rather than it being a low-quality comment, which it isn't.
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- ilikehurdles 3y agoWhere is founding for the accusation that this wasn’t already known to the board? Despite including a quote you made up, this line of argument relies on a false premise. Yes, “IF” you can’t inform people of possible conflicts of interest, that is bad. But it’s also irrelevant as of yet.
- andrew_ 3y agoImagine if Elon's companies sourced from each other. The travesty! I see nothing wrong here.
- loceng 3y agoYou don't think that's at least a bit of an apples to oranges comparison?
- darkerside 3y agoWell, that's why it's phrased as a joke. So they can shrink from and deny any possible conflict.
- andrew_ 3y agoPersonally directed comments aren't typically welcome here. Attack the topic or opinion, not the person.
- darkerside 3y agoI wasn't attacking the person, rather the style of argument being made. Ironically, your follow up comment does point out the typical HN rush to judgment, a much more literal ad hominem.
- loceng 3y agoIt's been at least the last 5 years that an ideological mob has seemed to gain traction here.
- andrew_ 3y agoad hominem? look in the mirror friend. > So they can shrink from and deny any possible conflict. you quite literally insinuated negative motive and action to follow directed towards an individual using a pronoun. take some personal responsibility.
- p1dda 3y agoWho can forget "the orb", altman seems like a complete clown who lucked into the holy grail that is openai: https://fortune.com/crypto/2023/03/21/sam-altman-orb-scan-eyeballs-ai-bot-worldcoin/ https://fortune.com/crypto/2023/03/21/sam-altman-orb-scan-ey...
- darkerside 3y ago> The orb isn’t a perfect sphere but two halves that come together at an angle that matches the orbit of the Earth Can't tell if this is meaningless, the reporter just failed to convey its actual meaning, or I am too dumb to understand
- SOLAR_FIELDS 3y agoHas to be one of the first two. Maybe it’s some sort of reference to how the earth itself isn’t actually a perfect sphere?
- coldbrewed 3y ago> After a person’s iris is captured, the biometric data never leaves the orb, they explain, instead converting it into the IrisCode, which itself is only used to create a verification of a person’s uniqueness through a convoluted system of zero-knowledge proofs and proto-danksharding. It's definitely both of the first two.
- darkerside 3y agoI somehow read over that drivel. I guess my mind is developing a garbage filter that operates using proto dank sharing.
- verall 3y ago*proto-dank-sharting
- chongli 3y ago
- infecto 3y agoWas it or is this just projection? There could be conflict of interest or it could also be that OpenAI has no desire to get into the chip business.
- sokoloff 3y agoIt seems clear to me that a conflict of interest exists here. It’s also perfectly normal for a billionaire tech investor with some non-zero expertise in AI to be investing in AI chip makers. (It might seem more strange if he wasn’t.) The existence of such a conflict is not itself inherently a problem; these situations come up all the time, become disclosed, and extra scrutiny is placed on decisions where the conflict is likely to surface. I don’t find it at all obvious that a billionaire CEO would improperly influence the company he’s running to buy from a company he’s invested in over a few million in chips. It’s a topic ripe for speculation and insinuation and hopefully the conflict of interest was properly disclosed and someone other than Altman made the final decision to commit to this purchase.
- infecto 3y agoGood call out. I definitely used the wrong terminology here. A conflict of interest does exist, weather it was improper, hidden or otherwise improper for his role at OpenAI is something we don’t know and is not clear from this article alone.
- victor106 3y agoAnd yet in multiple interviews he says he is not in it for the money. Saying that you are not in it for the money is becoming like a fashion statement. What’s wrong in saying that you’re in it for both money and passion?
- jampekka 3y agoIt's been a fashion statement for a long time. Every corporate "mission" is such a statement.
- koheripbal 3y agoBecause on social media virtue signaling works better than good deeds.
- andai 3y agoYou'll put off the majority of people who are sour grapes about money.
- herval 3y agoThe moral virtue of saying “I take one dollar a year salary” is a favorite among immorals
- rusk 3y agoPretty safe to say most of us live in glass houses on here
- mupuff1234 3y agoI'm just renting.
- hedora 3y agoI spent too much money on windows.
- s1gnp0st 3y ago
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- skybrian 3y agoThis is public now but happened in 2019. It wouldn't be news to OpenAI's board.
- outside1234 3y agoWhat is incredible is that this sort of double dealing is what he got fired from YC for doing - it is almost like nobody actually cares about AI safety or ethics and only about making money.
- jacquesm 3y agoIs that documented somewhere?
- x0x0 3y agoA company with billions of dollars of investment investing a relatively small sum as an early commitment -- which is likely is the sort of thing that gets you preferential access -- into a AI chip company seems ... just smart? AI chips are expensive and hard to get; nvidia can't produce enough; nvidia's chips are very expensive; building / seeding alternate supply for a crucial input is just competent business.
- dzink 3y agoYou are assuming the board doesn't know. The board seems to have turned over many times since then. Do you know for sure the board didn't know?
- mrangle 3y ago>This kind of stuff is the reason why Altman was fired. Doubt it. This type of thing is very common. >Altman is back on condition that there is a investigation. Altman is back because OAI had no choice.