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> but clearly it is ironically applicable to photography. It's a gradient. I will readily admit that while I consider photography to be art, I have more apprec

> but clearly it is ironically applicable to photography. It's a gradient. I will readily admit that while I consider photography to be art, I have more appreciation for a truly remarkable sculpture or painting. These are the pinnacle, for me. At the other end you have AI art - sure, "pressing a button" is a bit reductionist, but I'm not sure that it's far off. And I'd also argue that after a certain amount of time spent creating a piece of AI art, it is no longer even AI art. Looking at it from another angle: is anyone going to pay millions of dollars for AI art, aside from possibly a one-off situation built on hype? I seriously doubt it.

mejutoco 3y ago
We can agree to disagree, but for the sake of the argument, since I enjoy the discussion, and you make good points. > "pressing a button" is a bit reductionist, but I'm not sure that it's far off I agree. And my tldr is: I think either it is not far off for both photography and AI or it is false for both. > Looking at it from another angle: is anyone going to pay millions of dollars for AI art, aside from possibly a one-off situation built on hype? I seriously doubt it. Duchamp's urinal only input from the artist is choosing the (ready-made) object and signing it. A DJ is basically choosing the songs, the order, and the speed, low/high/frequencies, etc. A photographer is choosing the film, size of sensor, exposure, angle, location, what is out of frame, what is on focus. Somebody using AI is choosing the topic, the prompt, the base image, the negative prompts, iterations, etc. Nowadays there are artists with a team that literally execute nothing, other than directing the team like a CEO would do. Can AI be mindless execution? yes. Can it be art? yes. And IMO the same applies to photography. Sometimes a photo is just clicking a button. It depends. I only ask to evaluate them with the same parameters. As for the paying customer. Performance art has sold limited copies of videos of the performance, Joseph Beuys sold fat on chairs that have to be kept at a certain temperature. Art has been made about making a contract to shoot the artist consensually and recording it. Shredded banksys sold for a good amount. Urinals. The world of contemporary art will have no problem assimilating generative AI. I personally am looking forward to see what art can be created with AI that could not be before. Like any new medium first it copies the previous ones, before it finds its own voice. (Photography, for example, used to not cut things out of frame ,like in most traditional paintings. Early movies used to resemble theater plays, etc)

mejutoco 3y ago

We can agree to disagree, but for the sake of the argument, since I enjoy the discussion, and you make good points. > "pressing a button" is a bit reductionist, but I'm not sure that it's far off I agree. And my tldr is: I think either it is not far off for both photography and AI or it is false for both. > Looking at it from another angle: is anyone going to pay millions of dollars for AI art, aside from possibly a one-off situation built on hype? I seriously doubt it. Duchamp's urinal only input from the artist is choosing the (ready-made) object and signing it. A DJ is basically choosing the songs, the order, and the speed, low/high/frequencies, etc. A photographer is choosing the film, size of sensor, exposure, angle, location, what is out of frame, what is on focus. Somebody using AI is choosing the topic, the prompt, the base image, the negative prompts, iterations, etc. Nowadays there are artists with a team that literally execute nothing, other than directing the team like a CEO would do. Can AI be mindless execution? yes. Can it be art? yes. And IMO the same applies to photography. Sometimes a photo is just clicking a button. It depends. I only ask to evaluate them with the same parameters. As for the paying customer. Performance art has sold limited copies of videos of the performance, Joseph Beuys sold fat on chairs that have to be kept at a certain temperature. Art has been made about making a contract to shoot the artist consensually and recording it. Shredded banksys sold for a good amount. Urinals. The world of contemporary art will have no problem assimilating generative AI. I personally am looking forward to see what art can be created with AI that could not be before. Like any new medium first it copies the previous ones, before it finds its own voice. (Photography, for example, used to not cut things out of frame ,like in most traditional paintings. Early movies used to resemble theater plays, etc)