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It feels to me like the author compiled a list of 10 things that annoyed them the week prior, gave each of them an important sounding name and made an article o

It feels to me like the author compiled a list of 10 things that annoyed them the week prior, gave each of them an important sounding name and made an article of it. Not that I support any of these patterns, but there’s a reason companies do them. Just telling someone to not do them will not stop companies from doing them.

klabb3 3y ago
Honestly I think this content is a bit educational for us techies, but yes, it’s mostly just “business as usual” these days. However, if this type of content was aimed towards grandmas, boomers, etc it could have a huge positive effect. The people most susceptible to dark patterns are those who don’t know better. As I’ve written in another comment, my mom has needed help to make “her computer work again” after Microsoft has changed her default browser to edge. It happens (seemingly) on every meaningless update. It should be illegal.
timeon 3y ago
> there’s a reason companies do them Yes modern UX (or what we just call 'UX') is based on dark patterns and psychological manipulation. Even something as innocent as gamification is manipulation exploiting same thing as gambling. So yes there is reason companies doing them: trapping user.
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unconed 3y ago
Yes, they do them because they are scummy. "Maybe later" is the best example. No excuse for this other than them refusing to understand. Which is why, when companies try to apply dark patterns to you, you should bug the fuck out of their support channel. Slack changed the design again to push features you never use? Ask support how to get the old design back. Be incessant. Act like it's the most sensible possible request and they are just not getting it.
arendtio 3y ago
Sounds like you want more sources to prove that the author didn't make up that term ;-) Obligatory Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pattern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pattern A study about dark pattern usage from my bookmarks: https://webtransparency.cs.princeton.edu/dark-patterns/ https://webtransparency.cs.princeton.edu/dark-patterns/ The page I have always in my mind when the term comes up: http://darkpattern.org http://darkpattern.org -> redirects to https://www.deceptive.design https://www.deceptive.design Just for fun (it has some gems): https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=dark%20pattern&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... From the results: 'I was let go for refusing to deploy a dark pattern' https://www.peachesnstink.com/p/6pJoCuczOj8cxCUQDMlfQv https://www.peachesnstink.com/p/6pJoCuczOj8cxCUQDMlfQv

klabb3 3y ago

Honestly I think this content is a bit educational for us techies, but yes, it’s mostly just “business as usual” these days. However, if this type of content was aimed towards grandmas, boomers, etc it could have a huge positive effect. The people most susceptible to dark patterns are those who don’t know better. As I’ve written in another comment, my mom has needed help to make “her computer work again” after Microsoft has changed her default browser to edge. It happens (seemingly) on every meaningless update. It should be illegal.

timeon 3y ago

> there’s a reason companies do them Yes modern UX (or what we just call 'UX') is based on dark patterns and psychological manipulation. Even something as innocent as gamification is manipulation exploiting same thing as gambling. So yes there is reason companies doing them: trapping user.

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unconed 3y ago

Yes, they do them because they are scummy. "Maybe later" is the best example. No excuse for this other than them refusing to understand. Which is why, when companies try to apply dark patterns to you, you should bug the fuck out of their support channel. Slack changed the design again to push features you never use? Ask support how to get the old design back. Be incessant. Act like it's the most sensible possible request and they are just not getting it.

arendtio 3y ago

Sounds like you want more sources to prove that the author didn't make up that term ;-) Obligatory Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pattern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pattern A study about dark pattern usage from my bookmarks: https://webtransparency.cs.princeton.edu/dark-patterns/ https://webtransparency.cs.princeton.edu/dark-patterns/ The page I have always in my mind when the term comes up: http://darkpattern.org http://darkpattern.org -> redirects to https://www.deceptive.design https://www.deceptive.design Just for fun (it has some gems): https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=dark%20pattern&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... From the results: 'I was let go for refusing to deploy a dark pattern' https://www.peachesnstink.com/p/6pJoCuczOj8cxCUQDMlfQv https://www.peachesnstink.com/p/6pJoCuczOj8cxCUQDMlfQv