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I wonder what the lifespan of these refrigerators would be. You might think that solid state devices would have longer lifespans, because there's no mechanical

I wonder what the lifespan of these refrigerators would be. You might think that solid state devices would have longer lifespans, because there's no mechanical wear. But in fact SSDs die faster than spinning disks. Batteries swell and electrodes corrode. It seems like solid state electronics actually tend to be short-lived.

Kuinox 3y ago
> SSDs dies faster than spinning disks. That's so wrong it's hilarious.
- adrian_b 3y ago
  Which of SSDs or HDDs die faster depends strongly on their workload. For a write-intensive workload, SSDs certainly die much faster than HDDs. Otherwise, HDDs die faster, but modern SSDs die much faster than flash memories made with old technologies, which can have a lifetime of 10 to 20 years, while few SSDs can be expected to have a lifetime much longer than 5 years.
  - Kuinox 3y ago
    Define "dying" because I prefer my SSD staying in read only mode than my HDD becoming unreadable overnight.
    - lupusreal 3y ago
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    - imtringued 3y ago
      Your SSD controller gets corrupted and you can't read the data anymore.
      - Kuinox 3y ago
        HDD also have a controller.
    - toast0 3y ago
      All but one of the many SSDs I've worked with that failed did so by refusing to respond to any commands from that point forward. The other one was actually probably ok, but did a big reallocation and performance was trash during the process, so we replaced it. Some of my hard drives that failed when that way, sudden unexpected disappearance from the bus, but most of them provided signs of upcoming disaster, which could likely have been averted if the signs were considered in a timely way. The failure rate of the SSDs was much lower than the HDDs, but the means of failure was more troublesome.
      - Kuinox 3y ago
        I wonder what brand of SSD did you bought ? I only have a single SSD that "died": the read/write performance became miserable for some reason, but it had no issue other than that.
        toast0 3y ago
        Mostly Intel datacenter SSDs, but a smattering of other brands, including Kingston and others I forgot. I do have an Inland 1TB with garbage performance that I can't figure out why, but it was super cheap, so at least I didn't pay much for it.
    - justinclift 3y ago
      > I prefer my SSD staying in read only mode Most of the time the SSD just completely stops, never to communicate with anything ever again. :( "Read only" mode would be a welcome improvement. :)
Out_of_Characte 3y ago
It depends on your definition of 'solid state' hard drives store bits magnetically , ssd's store bits electrically. You could call both solid state if the SSD wasn't specifically named due to its close relation to dram and cache lines that need active power. I would also consider hard drives more solid than ssd's if you tested for how long each could resist entrophy if there was no source of low entrophy.
- velcrovan 3y ago
  uh...no, “solid state” doesn’t have competing popular definitions. Solid state means the state can be read or written without moving parts or gaseous components. SSDs have this property, hard drives clearly do not.
  - parineum 3y ago
    > Solid state means the state can be read or written without moving parts Ahh so the data on this cooler can be read without moving parts, interesting. OP was talking about the definition of solid state in a broader sense. In that broader definition (useful outside of computer hardware) "solid state" could refer to the parts that don't require constant power to maintain state. OP was demonstrating how the term could be reasonably used to mean different things in different ways meaning that "solid state" is not a very useful term in it's own, it needs context to be meaningful.
    - lupusreal 3y ago
      If it's got a motor spinning something as an essential part of its operation, it's not solid state in any conceivable sense.
    - velcrovan 3y ago
      > Ahh so the data on this cooler can be read without moving parts, interesting. I never said data, I said state. If you're getting hung up where I said “written” just think “changed” instead. > In that broader definition (useful outside of computer hardware) "solid state" could refer to the parts that don't require constant power to maintain state. This particular “broader definition” is not used in any domain, nor is it at all useful. Nor was OP talking about any domain outside of computer hardware. They were talking specifically about hard drives and SSDs. > OP was demonstrating how the term could be reasonably used to mean different things in different ways meaning that "solid state" is not a very useful term in it's own, it needs context to be meaningful. They were demonstrating that if you make up definitions arbitrarily then nothing means anything. Regardless, “solid state” is a well-understood term with a specific widely understood meaning in the domain we’re all obviously discussing.

Kuinox 3y ago

> SSDs dies faster than spinning disks. That's so wrong it's hilarious.

adrian_b 3y ago
Which of SSDs or HDDs die faster depends strongly on their workload. For a write-intensive workload, SSDs certainly die much faster than HDDs. Otherwise, HDDs die faster, but modern SSDs die much faster than flash memories made with old technologies, which can have a lifetime of 10 to 20 years, while few SSDs can be expected to have a lifetime much longer than 5 years.
- Kuinox 3y ago
  Define "dying" because I prefer my SSD staying in read only mode than my HDD becoming unreadable overnight.
  - lupusreal 3y ago
    [dead]
  - imtringued 3y ago
    Your SSD controller gets corrupted and you can't read the data anymore.
    - Kuinox 3y ago
      HDD also have a controller.
  - toast0 3y ago
    All but one of the many SSDs I've worked with that failed did so by refusing to respond to any commands from that point forward. The other one was actually probably ok, but did a big reallocation and performance was trash during the process, so we replaced it. Some of my hard drives that failed when that way, sudden unexpected disappearance from the bus, but most of them provided signs of upcoming disaster, which could likely have been averted if the signs were considered in a timely way. The failure rate of the SSDs was much lower than the HDDs, but the means of failure was more troublesome.
    - Kuinox 3y ago
      I wonder what brand of SSD did you bought ? I only have a single SSD that "died": the read/write performance became miserable for some reason, but it had no issue other than that.
      - toast0 3y ago
        Mostly Intel datacenter SSDs, but a smattering of other brands, including Kingston and others I forgot. I do have an Inland 1TB with garbage performance that I can't figure out why, but it was super cheap, so at least I didn't pay much for it.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    > I prefer my SSD staying in read only mode Most of the time the SSD just completely stops, never to communicate with anything ever again. :( "Read only" mode would be a welcome improvement. :)

Out_of_Characte 3y ago

It depends on your definition of 'solid state' hard drives store bits magnetically , ssd's store bits electrically. You could call both solid state if the SSD wasn't specifically named due to its close relation to dram and cache lines that need active power. I would also consider hard drives more solid than ssd's if you tested for how long each could resist entrophy if there was no source of low entrophy.

velcrovan 3y ago
uh...no, “solid state” doesn’t have competing popular definitions. Solid state means the state can be read or written without moving parts or gaseous components. SSDs have this property, hard drives clearly do not.
- parineum 3y ago
  > Solid state means the state can be read or written without moving parts Ahh so the data on this cooler can be read without moving parts, interesting. OP was talking about the definition of solid state in a broader sense. In that broader definition (useful outside of computer hardware) "solid state" could refer to the parts that don't require constant power to maintain state. OP was demonstrating how the term could be reasonably used to mean different things in different ways meaning that "solid state" is not a very useful term in it's own, it needs context to be meaningful.
  - lupusreal 3y ago
    If it's got a motor spinning something as an essential part of its operation, it's not solid state in any conceivable sense.
  - velcrovan 3y ago
    > Ahh so the data on this cooler can be read without moving parts, interesting. I never said data, I said state. If you're getting hung up where I said “written” just think “changed” instead. > In that broader definition (useful outside of computer hardware) "solid state" could refer to the parts that don't require constant power to maintain state. This particular “broader definition” is not used in any domain, nor is it at all useful. Nor was OP talking about any domain outside of computer hardware. They were talking specifically about hard drives and SSDs. > OP was demonstrating how the term could be reasonably used to mean different things in different ways meaning that "solid state" is not a very useful term in it's own, it needs context to be meaningful. They were demonstrating that if you make up definitions arbitrarily then nothing means anything. Regardless, “solid state” is a well-understood term with a specific widely understood meaning in the domain we’re all obviously discussing.