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> Anyway, never buy content you can't crack (make it drm-free) or even better, buy drm-free stuff from the start I agree entirely (in principle), but this isn'

> Anyway, never buy content you can't crack (make it drm-free) or even better, buy drm-free stuff from the start I agree entirely (in principle), but this isn't an option for certain platforms like the iOS App Store, or download-only games consoles (and I've been burned myself: most notably by EA removing their older games from the iOS App Store: not just them removing the ability to purchase old games, but even for people who had already paid for them to reinstall them (and who actually saves their IPA files? Is it even possible to install IPA files from a PC now that iTunes is dead?) This is something that can only be done by law or something - IIRC, the recent pro-consumer legislation coming from the EU doesn't address "getting-to-keep-what-we-paid-for" - I'm hoping they'll get around to that soon, along with getting protections for data-sovereignty: it's kinda shocking how many popular Apps/SaaS services out there still don't let you export your data.

jokethrowaway 3y ago
You can very well choose different platforms. That's the entire reason I don't buy iPhones or consoles. You don't need EU mommy to regulate the entire industry and make it harder for the next ios / android alternative
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  You can definitely live like a hermit, but the problem is that more and more things don't have open alternatives. > make it harder for the next ios / android alternative If the regulation prevents an alternative from being malicious I see that as a good thing?
  - aleph_minus_one 3y ago
    > You can definitely live like a hermit, but the problem is that more and more things don't have open alternatives. This site is called "Hacker News", and not "Technology Hipster News". Since you likely are a hacker, you should have a pretty good idea what to do ... :-)
    - Nextgrid 3y ago
      You're at least a decade late if you think "hacking" (in the sense of building things) is going to get you out of this situation. The problem with these platforms is network effects and lack of interoperability and not in the technical effort required to build an alternative. This is in fact where regulation can help (and like the EU's DMA already attempts to) get us back to a state where you can actually "hack" your way out of it by building an alternative that will be viable because it can interoperate with the incumbents. --- Or, are you suggesting piracy? I mean I sure know what to do, but none of my non-technical friends know, and frankly I'd rather live in a world where I can just pay a reasonable sum and not have to spend time maintaining a Plex/Jellyfin/*arr stack.
      - aleph_minus_one 3y ago
        > You're at least a decade late if you think "hacking" (in the sense of building things) is going to get you out of this situation. The problem with these platforms is network effects and lack of interoperability and not in the technical effort required to build an alternative. In the 90s, the same "arguments" held for Microsoft's applications. The hackers decided to build GNU/Linux and other open source operating systems.
        orwin 3y ago
        And Microsoft got hammered down by anti-monopolistic regulations, which allowed for an open web and thus the Linux desktop, exactly the kind of regulations GP's asking for (DMA).
        Nextgrid 3y ago
        > The hackers decided to build GNU/Linux and other open source operating systems. Copyright law wasn't used to prevent adversarial interoperability back then. It does now, which is why you can't build alternative clients anymore unless you're out of reach of the US legal system (and even then, good luck getting it onto any app store since again, there are now gatekeepers to merely _installing_ software on one's machine).
BSDobelix 3y ago
>This is something that can only be done by law or something I'm 100% on your side with that, artist should be fairly paid, consumer should not be f**'d, it's really that easy ;)

jokethrowaway 3y ago

You can very well choose different platforms. That's the entire reason I don't buy iPhones or consoles. You don't need EU mommy to regulate the entire industry and make it harder for the next ios / android alternative

Nextgrid 3y ago
You can definitely live like a hermit, but the problem is that more and more things don't have open alternatives. > make it harder for the next ios / android alternative If the regulation prevents an alternative from being malicious I see that as a good thing?
- aleph_minus_one 3y ago
  > You can definitely live like a hermit, but the problem is that more and more things don't have open alternatives. This site is called "Hacker News", and not "Technology Hipster News". Since you likely are a hacker, you should have a pretty good idea what to do ... :-)
  - Nextgrid 3y ago
    You're at least a decade late if you think "hacking" (in the sense of building things) is going to get you out of this situation. The problem with these platforms is network effects and lack of interoperability and not in the technical effort required to build an alternative. This is in fact where regulation can help (and like the EU's DMA already attempts to) get us back to a state where you can actually "hack" your way out of it by building an alternative that will be viable because it can interoperate with the incumbents. --- Or, are you suggesting piracy? I mean I sure know what to do, but none of my non-technical friends know, and frankly I'd rather live in a world where I can just pay a reasonable sum and not have to spend time maintaining a Plex/Jellyfin/*arr stack.
    - aleph_minus_one 3y ago
      > You're at least a decade late if you think "hacking" (in the sense of building things) is going to get you out of this situation. The problem with these platforms is network effects and lack of interoperability and not in the technical effort required to build an alternative. In the 90s, the same "arguments" held for Microsoft's applications. The hackers decided to build GNU/Linux and other open source operating systems.
      - orwin 3y ago
        And Microsoft got hammered down by anti-monopolistic regulations, which allowed for an open web and thus the Linux desktop, exactly the kind of regulations GP's asking for (DMA).
      - Nextgrid 3y ago
        > The hackers decided to build GNU/Linux and other open source operating systems. Copyright law wasn't used to prevent adversarial interoperability back then. It does now, which is why you can't build alternative clients anymore unless you're out of reach of the US legal system (and even then, good luck getting it onto any app store since again, there are now gatekeepers to merely _installing_ software on one's machine).

BSDobelix 3y ago

>This is something that can only be done by law or something I'm 100% on your side with that, artist should be fairly paid, consumer should not be f**'d, it's really that easy ;)