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RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD
- ianai 3y agoThis looks very promising! Thinking of putting it on something.
- cable2600 3y agoMacOS App support isn't there yet. It supports only a few apps. Test out a copy and give them feedback please, thank you.
- ianai 3y agoIt’s a really good idea since apple is abandoning its x86 software. It’s an opening for FOSS to pull in new GUI frameworks/features. Could really help gain userbase.
- cable2600 3y agoThey use FreeBSD and Darwin open-source code. Darwin is the core of MacOS with the XNU/MACH Kernel. So they are doing nothing wrong that Apple can sue them over it. The trick is writing the code that does what the Non-Open-Source code of MacOS does to run the Mac Apps.
- steve1977 3y ago> The trick is writing the code that does what the Non-Open-Source code of MacOS does to run the Mac Apps And that is where the magic happens. GNUstep has been trying to provide a useful open source alternative implementation of OPENSTEP for more than 20 years now I believe. I don’t see that happen to be honest.
- ungamedplayer 3y agoI think when brew works nativelu it will be much more functional and fun to use.
- BossingAround 3y agoWhy? Brew is a workaround for not having a proper package manager on macOS. Can't you use the native package manager instead?
- JoBrad 3y agoI have used brew on Linux for dev tooling, because it’s so easy to switch versions.
- rubyn00bie 3y agoI realized Brew was released for Linux a while back, and my jaw dropped because… why? Brew is simply awful compared to most Linux package managers. It has gotten better over the years but I still couldn’t ever imagine preferring it over the installed out of the box package manager in quite literally any Linux distro.
- latexr 3y agoSometimes you can’t use a distro’s package manager (e.g. shared hosting) but Homebrew will still work.
- jckahn 3y agoHomebrew is my preferred package manager on Linux. It just seems to work more simply than apt or Flatpak for me, and it’s less context switching when I need to use macOS.
- JoBrad 3y agoFor standard apps, I agree. But being able to change the default version of Python, NodeJS, etc. just by running brew install is a lot easier than using apt/apt-get. They just aren't made to support that kind of scenario.
- latexr 3y ago> ravynOS (previously called airyxOS) Subjectively, I find both names terrible. There’s zero chance I’ll vocalise either to someone and they’ll know how to spell it. The current one in particular is bound to have people typing “ravenous”. But the idea is interesting, and even though the screenshots don’t yet inspire confidence (the typeface is too thin, folder icons are too square, …) I wish the team the best of luck in making their vision come to light.
- cable2600 3y agoIt is still in pre-release and being worked out. It doesn't run in VirtualBox or VMWare because there is no driver for video on it for the virtual machines.
- Erratic6576 3y agoCan’t you tell VMware that it’s a FreeBSD installation?
- Bad_CRC 3y agotragedeighOS
- gumballindie 3y agoWell done for runining my weekend! I will give it a try. However, still struggling with NVidia drivers on FreeBSD. For the life of me I can't get them to work.
- JoBrad 3y agoI’m honestly not sure why they would stick to BSD. The first thing many folks do when they start a Mac is install Gnu Tools and other things to make it more like Debian.
- hospitalJail 3y agoThis is why I went to Fedora.
- gumballindie 3y agoWell yeah but FreeBSD is not Linux, and I don't see the connection with your comment. I also use a Linux distro as a daily driver, but I love playing with FreeBSD every now and then.
- hedora 3y agoThis is why I switched to AMD video cards. NVIDIA was always flaky under Linux. I finally got a working setup, and then they stopped backporting new OpenGL features to the binary blob drivers for it, breaking all sorts of stuff. CUDA is a big advantage for NVIDIA, but I don’t use it. Similarly, NVIDIA hardware tends to be a half a generation ahead. Whatever. The AMD drivers are open source, in kernel tree, and reliable over time.
- gumballindie 3y agoHm ok but this is freebsd not linux.
- IWeldMelons 3y agoFrankly I think these days a Linux based emulator like Wine would be a smarter decision .
- krylon 3y agoI vaguely recall reading about a project trying to achieve just that on HN a while back. Unfortunately, that is all I remember about it. Back then, it apparently was not quite there, yet, but that must have been at least five years ago, so the situation might be a lot better today.
- jdiff 3y agoUnfortunately not. Darling [0] is still at the point that it can only run command line applications. Only the most basic GUI applications are supported. That's still a massive accomplishment that I don't want to diminish, but it's nowhere near the point that WINE was at even quite a long time ago. [0] https://www.darlinghq.org/ https://www.darlinghq.org/
- krylon 3y agoI would imagine with Wine the number of people interested to see Windows applications run under Linux/BSD/etc is significantly larger than with macOS/Darling.
- hospitalJail 3y agoReally goes to show the demand of exclusive MacOS software. To be fair, if something is on Mac, it is usually on Linux. Windows is a bit different.
- yakubin 3y ago> To be fair, if something is on Mac, it is usually on Linux. That's true only for CLI apps. My most frequently used GUI apps on Mac: - MailMate - Affinity Photo - ACDSee Photo Studio - NetNewsWire - ApolloOne - Textual - Transmit - iA Writer None of them are available on Linux. Most of them are Mac-only (i.e. no Windows version either).
- steve1977 3y agoI can see the freedom of FreeBSD part, but not the finesse of macOS. And without that, why not just use FreeBSD?
- blackhaz 3y agoWhat is an OS finesse?
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- steve1977 3y agoIn the case of macOS, for me it’s for example things like automation via AppleScript, a coherent UI for native apps, the „polish“ of the interface if that makes any sense
- fragebogen 3y agoMy interpretation would be that it's about the same level of polish ux/ui-wise as macOS. As with OP, unfortunately I don't see it either - the screenshots show some resemblance with macOS but without any of the finesse.
- alpaca128 3y agoIt's not completed yet. The features are listed under the section "project goals" and the download button has a note calling it a developer preview image. In my experience with some Linux distros goals alone don't necessarily work out, but the approach with trying to be compatible with actual Mac OS apps is already more notable than an Ubuntu reskin.
- bionsystem 3y agoWhat about hellosystem ? Ravyn focuses more on compatibility with MacOS I guess ?
- hnlmorg 3y agoMaybe this is just me but I never considered Apples approach to software installs to be elegant. And I’m not a fan of their unified menu bar (or most aspected of their desktop environment for that matter). What I’d love to see would be a whole new desktop environment for macOS (homebrew has its warts but is a “good enough” package manager for my day to day needs)
- major505 3y agoI do like it. Its easy to explain to my mom how this work because is what most users would consider a software install.
- hnlmorg 3y agoThat makes it simple. It doesn’t make it elegant. And I certainly wouldn’t be getting anyone non-technical to run a FreeBSD/macOS hybrid that doesn’t support either platform fully. Not taking anything away from this project, it’s looks really interesting. But it’s definitely not a mom and pop friendly platform. Besides, since when have app stores been difficult to use? Package management doesn’t have to be CLI based.
- alpaca128 3y agoI don't mind the idea of installing applications by dragging the icon to the folder. The problem is that many applications simply don't have the Application folder show up in that window. Seems like Apple relies on developers to make this interaction consistent, which obviously doesn't work.
- torstenvl 3y agoWhen a mounted DMG is the foreground window, Finder should slightly adjust the .app handler. The default action will be "Install Application," which will pop up a confirmation window and, if confirmed, copy the application to /Applications. The "Open" option should still be available for people who, for whatever reason, want to run an application directly from a DMG.
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- WesolyKubeczek 3y agoMeh macOS is more than shiny traffic lights buttons on your windows, global menus, and dock. It's also a clipboard that works everywhere and not like "oh you cannot do this because X11 this or wayland that", it's also human interface guidelines (the old ones, the new ones are unparseable shit) that make bloody sure that the OK/Cancel buttons appear where you expect them to appear. It's also some bloody keyboard shortcuts that work everywhere the same and not every bloody app bringing in their own and their own little ways to configure them or none at all. Yeah chrome, I'm looking at you. It's also that the most used system stuff can be configured pointy-clicky and that stuff that the system can figure out on its own is what it bloody figures out on its own, without me having to drop down to command line (although it is an avenue too, and command line and GUI must be in sync). It's also that it's accessible out of the box. Try blindfolding yourself, inserting your installer usb stick, and installing your thing and using it successfully. Come on. OS X could do it since Leopard, I think, which was in... 2007? In other words, macOS could abandon their Aqua looks and go for industrial NeXTStep looks, and still be ahead of almost everything else in terms of consistency, accessibility, and general lack of fuckness.
- hospitalJail 3y ago> Try blindfolding yourself, inserting your installer usb stick, and installing your thing and using it successfully. I don't understand this. Are you saying its hard to install Linux? Has this ever been true? Usually you smash the Next button. There is a partioning screen, but that is some serious changes you are going to make. I don't care what OS religion you follow, I'm taking the blindfold off during partioning.
- wkat4242 3y agoHuhh this is really cool. Never heard of it. And FreeBSD is actually my daily driver. So apparently it can run macOS apps? More or less. Cool. It'll be hard to find those compiled for intel though going forward. But we'll see. I'm actually quite happy with KDE on FreeBSD but perhaps their compatibility work can also be applied to vanilla FreeBSD. The only thing I really miss from macOS is Pixelmator.
- ffgjgf1 3y ago> More or less I think much less than less for most practical purposes.
- pipeline_peak 3y ago> We’ve got your apps covered No you dont, RavynOS and HelloSystem are mediocre wrapper projects. Put your efforts towards GNUStep, don’t run with it and making something pretty. If GNUStep worked, it could be ran on Unix like systems people actually use like Ubuntu. This project is going to fail with “finesse”.
- sunshine-o 3y agoI remember 20 years ago Gnome or even KDE were toys compared to the very structured but slow moving GNUStep. GNUStep was also hard to install (no rpms), ugly but very snappy. But nobody big put any money or devs on GNUStep. Even Sun invested in Gnome (!), what did not made sense at the time because they had invested in OpenStep & the whole thing was Java friendly (I believe Java was a first class citizen in early releases of Mac OS X). I always wondered if it might have been because there were some legal risks...
- pipeline_peak 3y ago> I always wondered if it might have been because there were some legal risks... What was in it for Sun to invest in GNUStep? Jobs was always resistant towards supporting other platforms. So it’s clear OpenStep was the last attempt at making use of the dying Next line. I could maybe imagine a sales pitch scenario like “port your Mac apps to Solaris”. But when OSX came around, Cocoa was steered more towards the consumer market, not workstations.
- sunshine-o 3y ago> What was in it for Sun to invest in GNUStep? I'm saying that Sun needed an update to the old CDE and invested quite heavily in the development of Gnome to create their Java Desktop System [1] I believe it was a mistake for many reasons, nobody like JDS, the name itself was a lie and ultimately they just helped their competitor RedHat by turning GNOME into a serious project. I believe Sun still had all the Lighthouse Design softwares that were made for NeXTSTEP [2] Jonathan Schwartz founded Lighthouse and actually joined Sun through the acquisition (!) Anyway at that time the relationship between Sun & Apple had turned very bad & Steve Jobs threatened them when he saw the Looking Glass demo [2] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Desktop_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Desktop_System [2] https://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/ https://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/good-arti...
- echelon_musk 3y agoNot a chance this gathers any traction. You can just hear: can I run 'popular macOS application' on it? No. The average user, for starters, doesn't use a computer (most consumer tasks are done on a phone), and won't know how to install a different OS even if they do. Run FreeBSD on the server and use the macOS Terminal to connect to it over ssh.
- afavour 3y agoThey do mention implementing Cocoa APIs so there is a theoretical future where it can run some macOS apps. But that would be a very heavy lift (not quite ReactOS heavy but still) for little reward. And you’ll probably find everyone is using SwiftUI by the time it’s complete.
- grey_earthling 3y agoI know some of this is personal taste, but to me macOS really doesn't feel finessed. It feels confusing, distracting and annoying. I suppose a large part of the problem is that I want a useful tool, whereas macOS is designed to be a lifestyle.
- empthought 3y agoI think you find macOS confusing, distracting, and annoying because it hasn’t had strong design applied to it in over a decade. It does get features to sustain people’s interest in Apple hardware and services, which I guess is a lifestyle. But it’s an “Apple lifestyle” not a MacOS one. A lot of commentators don’t really seem to appreciate how Apple is a consumer electronics manufacturer now, and still evaluate it like people did ca. 2003. Apple could shut down their desktop/notebook computing division entirely and still make a bundle. (They probably would lose phone market share, though.)
- hedora 3y agoMy main problem with MacOS is that, on careful inspection, almost everything is buggy or clunky. I wish someone would just clone the headline features and app UIs (not the UI toolkit) but apply more attention to details like regression testing.
- zamalek 3y agoIt just doesn't look that great either. If you glance at a screenshot then, sure, it looks slick - but you'll routinely run into developer UIs (for example, the settings app prior to Ventura - which has now become pretty to the degree of uselessness). It's nice from far, but far from nice.
- I_Am_Nous 3y agoI get the impression that MacOS is kind of like Gnome in that they aren't really designed with multitasking in mind. On MacOS, the green button in the corner of the window expands the app to fullscreen. Opening an app in Gnome likewise goes fullscreen. There are some workflows where that would be OK, but to do my job I have to be in and out of multiple windows constantly. I gave up on Gnome when I was trying to find one of 5 different terminal windows in the exploded window view and it was clear that they'd rather I cycled through them all one at a time instead of what I do on XFCE which is scroll up on the terminal icon in my dock, which quickly cycles through them and brings them to focus. Personal preference for finesse will always differ so I tend to focus more on the usability aspect of it and accept any finesse that comes along for the ride as a kind of luxury experience lol
- whalesalad 3y agoThis is incredibly awesome. I would love to see a lot of this on Linux, too. Apple has always had the best compositor in the business. The marketing page is a little more generous to this project than the actual screenshots though, lol.
- apozem 3y agoYeah, I had the same thought viewing the screenshots. I like that this project exists, but they've got a long way to go with those Windows 95-esque buttons and scrollbar.
- rollcat 3y agoIt's nice that more people in the FOSS community take note of macOS's design and (historically, at least) attention to detail. However, this project (judging by the screenshots, which is how everyone is going to judge you if you claim to be inspired by Apple's work), they're already making serious (but fixable) mistakes: <https://ravynos.com/images/ravyn_0.4.0_pre_desktop.png https://ravynos.com/images/ravyn_0.4.0_pre_desktop.png> - What the actual heck is that window border around the terminal - Horizontal spacing on the fonts is too dense, the text rendering is absolutely awful - maybe it's just the font but I wouldn't suffer through reading a full paragraph - The buttons in the installer dialog look like a cheap knockoff of Windows 95 - Different colors for window background, title bar, dock, but somehow the window background and menu bar are the same - The 3 visible dock icons mix 3 different art styles, the fourth icon is an empty space?... - Where's the shadows to tell stacked windows apart? Windows did this in the late 90s <https://ravynos.com/images/firefox_global_menu.jpg https://ravynos.com/images/firefox_global_menu.jpg> - The padding of the window controls is all messed up, with different offsets on all 3 sides; no unified window/tab bar in the browser (even though Firefox under both X11 and Wayland can do it just fine); again different window frame and background colors - Bright white window borders (absolute worst aspect of the Big Sur redesign), although I'll give them credit for going a notch below #ffffff - Very poor way to show off the transparent menu bar (the choice of wallpaper + no blur), visually distracts from the contents of the menu bar itself; note that all macOS default wallpapers have a pretty uniform sky color across the top, so the transparent menu bar can be a bit less of a mess Again, this is all fixable, but the real problem is that half of these things are trivially improved by changing the font, the color, or the padding. But it's this lack of attention to detail (and the fact that despite these glaring issues they've still decided to use these screenshots) that speaks about the project's commitment to details. It's pretty cool that you've got AppImages or an ObjC compiler, but you're not allowed to use the word "finesse" and make these mistakes!
- creatonez 3y agoWhat should WIP software look like? There was a time when the 1998 beta for macOS, called Rhapsody, looked horrible and disjoint. There was also a time when the iPhone looked like this - https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg
- gjsman-1000 3y agoAbandonware? Last release was June 2022.
- maipen 3y agoMost of OS are doomed from the start. It's a waste of everybodys time, except for those that build these systems and learn about OS development. We don't need a new OS, much less one trying to compete with Mac (lol, no chance). What we need is for the popular ones to continuously improve. Windows 11 is better than 10 and 7 and vista and xp... (yes I skipped 8) Most people that work in tech use Mac or windows, some use linux but they are small yet mighty.
- I_Am_Nous 3y agoI read a comment once that enumerated all the ways even spinning your own linux distro is doomed to fail. It's far more work to properly develop a distro for security and if your distro is just "Ubuntu minus stuff I don't like" then you aren't really maintaining anything that couldn't just be a script you have people run on base Ubuntu.
- Klonoar 3y agoI suspect most people in this thread haven’t gone deeper than the website. The project creator is actually very capable - what they’ve done so far is very impressive on a technical level. The project has an effective bus factor of 1, though: I’ve lurked in the Discord for the past year (since it was called Airyx) or so and plenty of people come in but don’t contribute much. Unless that changes I’m not sure it’ll work out long term.
- fithisux 3y agoWhy not build on PureDarwin?
- cristeigabriel 3y agoIt just looks bad. You want to be MacOS? Actually go and copy it, as close to pixel perfect as you fancy. I've personally experimented with replicating UIs using just a "device" object to a graphical API, so I know very well that it is possible. What prevents this project from just... going out and actually doing what they're trying to achieve? Take high resolution screenshots, carefully understand what's going on, and re-implement it. The hardest part would probably be compositing (if they do it from scratch), but even before getting there, there's so much wrong already. This really does not have the same finesse of MacOS, has anybody even looked at the screenshots picked by the developers??
- tiltowait 3y agoThis screenshot[1] is a great example of what you're talking about. * Awful typography (especially bold text) * Ugly gray background in foreground window * Windows 95-era buttons in the foreground window * Weird left padding in the (ugly) dock * Terminal window has window controls on the right for some reason, and they look like they're from Windows? All that said, it's still in preview (v0.4pre4), and these things can all be corrected. But I think they'd do well to slap "early preview" all over the place so people don't write it off. [1] https://ravynos.com/images/ravyn_0.4.0_pre_desktop.png https://ravynos.com/images/ravyn_0.4.0_pre_desktop.png
- cristeigabriel 3y agoI think there is a critical error in the judgement you make here, we can see that they advertise[0] the finesse of macOS. But what does this really mean? Let's think about it. But before that, they clearly must be aware that... it's just bad (lightly put), yet it comes off very clearly that they're trying to copy[1] visual elements of Mac. So what does the author think finesse mean? For my perspective, I'll quote the first definition I get on a Google search, "impressive delicacy and skill." We can argue that Mac does provide this (I believe it does, the experience is very opinionated (which also leads to stuff being intentional) and seamless across their devices, consistent (more than just the potential for consistency, which is what Windows provides), and so on, and so forth. But, this is nothing like what we see in the current RavynOS. Nothing feels intentional. The advertising is misleading, and I don't think that it's something solvable in the future unless the person responsible for advertising and guaranteeing the presence of this "finesse" update their understanding of the word and clearly defines what that should mean in practice. Update1: to add to my previous points, if my perception of the word "finesse" is correct, for something to have the "finesse of macOS," it wouldn't even have to look like it, but just achieve the same goal in it's own way (or Apple's way, that's "fine" but leaves a bad taste.) [0] - https://ravynos.com/ https://ravynos.com/ "Finesse of macOS. [...]" [1] - https://ravynos.com/screenshots https://ravynos.com/screenshots
- MaximilianEmel 3y agoHow does this differ from helloSystem? https://hellosystem.github.io/ https://hellosystem.github.io/
- titaniumtown 3y agoRavynOS aims for partial binary compatibility with macOS.
- dubcanada 3y agoWhat does that mean? It can partially run some trivial macOS apps? The amount of effort just to get basic programs working seems like a ton of effort, for a end project that is just buggy implement of a moving target. Unlike Windows, MacOS has no problem ignoring backward compatibility. So Wine works be rewriting older APIs and Microsoft always works on backward compatibility, MacOS does not do that. It just works or it doesn't.
- michaelmrose 3y agoWhat about something like winapps which transparently runs apps in a VM. I know you can't legally run MacOS in a VM on a non mac but it would be hard to enforce against a software project that merely provides the capability so long as it doesn't provide the copyrighted software itself.
- clnq 3y agoI also wonder what that means. What target would this software be compiled for? Apple Silicon or x86? If x86, then some feasible but difficult approaches exist, such as a translation layer or providing own reverse-engineered APIs. It would be tremendously difficult to achieve practical usability beyond very limited cases. However, by the time it could be done, won't the x86 macOS target be entirely obsolete? If the target is Apple Silicon, it makes even less sense. The instruction set is ARM + Apple's mods which are proprietary. Moreover, they keep iterating on that instruction set and making new software alongside it. What's to stop Apple from using a Rosetta approach to run their M2 code on M1? If they have a translation layer, they don't need backwards compatibility in the instruction set. So reverse-engineering would be extraordinarily hard - like, beyond human capability for a small team with no insider leaks out of Apple. Can this project keep reverse-engineering the instructions fast enough as Apple iterates on the arch? Not in reality. x86 is hard but this is that, and a moving target (pun intended). So... how? EDIT: Upon looking into it more, it looks like they want to use x86 translation layer Darling + open-source APIs. This seems more like running (maybe) basic GUI applications compiled for Apple's x86 targets that do not rely too heavily on the Apple ecosystem's APIs. So more for fun than for robust day-to-day compatibility akin to Rosetta. So I guess then it doesn't matter that it's a dying target, as it's more of a theoretical thing? The idea is nice, I don't want to dismiss it. I think attempting it could be a lot of fun. They're kind of brave to call it a project aim though, I don't think it's wise to set such expectations.
- confd 3y agoIS there Something that I’m not getting about the Shortcut “SHIFT-S” that’S Shown on the page?
- Nilrem404 3y agoIt is the shortcut to type the commonly used special character "S" /s
- butterisgood 3y agoMy basic opinion is that there are really no great desktop operating systems currently being made anymore. Mac OS used to be it but started losing me after Snow Leopard to be completely honest. I feel both desktop producing companies that actually matter (can run all the productivity apps I need to do my job) have put this space on the back burner for cloud (Microsoft) or consumer electronics (Apple). No year has ever been the year of the Linux Desktop and all the Desktop stuff for Linux is too Linux specific to work well portably on FreeBSD. All I can say is I hope Apple makes iPads able to run full development suites because the desktop appears to be dying a slow death in general. Or, maybe I’m wrong (would love to be) and things start getting better again.
- sharts 3y agoIndeed seems like post-Snow Leopard was the beginning of the end. Desktop seems to be converging to tablets. Which is just another way of saying, dumbing down of the UI and restricting what can be done, and offloading to the cloud. Development suites will all move to containers in clouds just like VSCode does today.
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- sharts 3y agoDon’t these projects seem to come and go every several years? While a nice idea wouldn’t it would be more efficient to improve virtualization and have something akin to Parallel’s “seamless” mode?
- michaelmrose 3y agoSo much awful. Bad font rendering. Icons look pixelated. White semi-transparent things look weird. Active and inactive windows look too similar. Instead of just coloring in the window buttons greying the text there should be some more obvious visual change to the actual header. Curve in top of window is pixelate. Very rounded top and share hard rectangle is jarring. Dock is perfectly rectangular with no border. Icons are bad. On the interface side the global menu is not only a mediocre UI when universally implemented its unlikely to be properly implemented in countless apps making impossible to make consistent.
- ThinkBeat 3y agoI dont entirely understand what this is. I think this is an effort to create a skin, or graphics layer / window layer to FreeBSD that looks and feels like Apple. But then it says the project uses the Mach kernel. Does that mean that they have a version of FreeBSD running on top of the Mach kernel? That sounds cool. Are they creating a clone of Cocoa that will have the same interface as the original? Or is Cocoa a open sourced from Apple? Near the top it reads: ""RavynOS aims to be compatible with macOS applications"" Ok well that sounds cool. Then farther down: ""Trivial macOS and Darwin applications may run directly on ravynO"" I guess it can be a goal that is a long way off still. I dont know why they would bother with Linux compatibility. FreeBSD and Mac has to be the most important ones?
- piperswe 3y agoIt's using FreeBSD's existing Linux compatibility layer, so it's less "building Linux compatibility" and more "making sure they don't break the existing Linux compatibility"
- major505 3y agoYou know, I have and old macbook pro (2009) that I can make macos work for the life of me after the original hard disk died, and I had to replace it. Might as well try this, since is currently running linux mint.
- Assassink786 3y agoThe work is still going on Core work is done by one person at a moment and the GUI is not upto mark but it is close to what we expected!