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Duke: here’s an essay on diversity Duke: btw we don’t like working with people different to ourselves

by nomilk 3y ago

brianwawok 3y ago
Isn’t that a dishonest argument? Maybe they are saying they prefer to work with people who promote diversity to be in line with their values.
- ordinaryradical 3y ago
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  - el_sinchi 3y ago
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  - nomilk 3y ago
    The entirety of this comment is ad hominem. Do you have a refutation to the idea expressed in the grandparent? I.e. that anyone extolling the virtues of diversity ought to be open minded toward people/orgs with views differing from their own?
dangus 3y ago
A commitment to diversity doesn’t include tolerating people who are intolerant.
- meowtimemania 3y ago
  How was DHH being intolerant?
  - nomilk 3y ago
    I don't think he is intolerant, but here are two instances cited in the article: 1. DHH is against race based admissions. For context, so are 62% of Americans [1] 2. DHH used the term "riots" to describe events following the passing of George Floyd. For context, the term "riot" appears 60 times in the wikipedia article on the topic [2]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-americans-think-college-admissions-should-not-consider-race-reutersipsos-2023-02-15/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-americans-think-colleg... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
    - flippinfloppin 3y ago
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    - dangus 3y ago
      What about the thing where Basecamp leadership kept a list of “funny sounding foreign names” in the company? That should go over really well with the university community where pretty much most of my professors and their TAs weren’t from America originally. Also, just because a word appears frequently in a Wikipedia article doesn’t mean that the thing it is describing is that word. The word “debt” appears 11 times in Donald Trump’s Wikipedia article but that doesn’t mean he’s poor.
      - nomilk 3y ago
        If you’re being serious about it somehow being wrong to find words funny, then do you have a problem with "absquatulate", "bowyangs", "collywobbles", "fartlek", "filibuster", "gongoozle", "hemidemisemiquaver", and "snollygoster“ [1] too? Presuming you don’t have a problem with words being inherently funny, why is it a surprise that some names happen to also be funny? Have you never found a name funny or amusing? How about when Ali G introduced Buzz Aldrin as Buzz Lightyear? Or when he referred to Boutros Boutros-Ghali as “Boutros Boutros Boutros Boutros-Ghali”. I found that silly and hilarious. How about when Homer refers to his “friend” Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo [2], sorry, but again, it’s silly and hilarious. One more example: on Family Fued [3] the person whose name was funny found it funny, his family found it funny, and the host/audience found it funny. Do you not laugh or at least see the humour in it? Last one (promise). This Monty Python sketch [4] has been viewed 30M times on YouTube alone, it’s by the troupe of comedians that the python programming language is named after, and it’s all about people finding other people’s names hilarious. Regarding “riots” you miss the point. Duke is upset DHH uses the word riot, but Wikipedia also does. So they should be equally upset with Wikipedia. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherently_funny_word https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherently_funny_word [2] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-LtddOgUCE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-LtddOgUCE [3] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wF7Dc6_Xudc%0A https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wF7Dc6_Xudc%0A [4] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_G2a2hL6U https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_G2a2hL6U
- bad_username 3y ago
  Want to obtain free, rapid, socially approved intolerance? Just declare something else intolerant. And feel free to immediately become proudly intolerant yourself. This of course cannot reduce the total amount of intolerance in the world, only increade it. But who cares? Also people who are "intolerant to the intolerant" are, by definition, be intolerant to themselves.
  - dangus 3y ago
    Okay, Basecamp leadership is super duper tolerant. That’s why they made a list of funny sounding non-Anglo names and kept it documented at the company. How tolerant of them! I’m sure that nobody working for a university would have a problem with that, since basically no professors or TAs or students paying full tuition have foreign-sounding names, right? Some reading material for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
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flippinfloppin 3y ago
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Duke: here’s an essay on diversity Duke: btw we don’t like working with people different to ourselves

by nomilk 3y ago

Duke: here’s an essay on diversity Duke: btw we don’t like working with people different to ourselves

Isn’t that a dishonest argument? Maybe they are saying they prefer to work with people who promote diversity to be in line with their values.

ordinaryradical 3y ago
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- el_sinchi 3y ago
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- nomilk 3y ago
  The entirety of this comment is ad hominem. Do you have a refutation to the idea expressed in the grandparent? I.e. that anyone extolling the virtues of diversity ought to be open minded toward people/orgs with views differing from their own?

dangus 3y ago

A commitment to diversity doesn’t include tolerating people who are intolerant.

meowtimemania 3y ago
How was DHH being intolerant?
- nomilk 3y ago
  I don't think he is intolerant, but here are two instances cited in the article: 1. DHH is against race based admissions. For context, so are 62% of Americans [1] 2. DHH used the term "riots" to describe events following the passing of George Floyd. For context, the term "riot" appears 60 times in the wikipedia article on the topic [2]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-americans-think-college-admissions-should-not-consider-race-reutersipsos-2023-02-15/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-americans-think-colleg... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
  - flippinfloppin 3y ago
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  - dangus 3y ago
    What about the thing where Basecamp leadership kept a list of “funny sounding foreign names” in the company? That should go over really well with the university community where pretty much most of my professors and their TAs weren’t from America originally. Also, just because a word appears frequently in a Wikipedia article doesn’t mean that the thing it is describing is that word. The word “debt” appears 11 times in Donald Trump’s Wikipedia article but that doesn’t mean he’s poor.
    - nomilk 3y ago
      If you’re being serious about it somehow being wrong to find words funny, then do you have a problem with "absquatulate", "bowyangs", "collywobbles", "fartlek", "filibuster", "gongoozle", "hemidemisemiquaver", and "snollygoster“ [1] too? Presuming you don’t have a problem with words being inherently funny, why is it a surprise that some names happen to also be funny? Have you never found a name funny or amusing? How about when Ali G introduced Buzz Aldrin as Buzz Lightyear? Or when he referred to Boutros Boutros-Ghali as “Boutros Boutros Boutros Boutros-Ghali”. I found that silly and hilarious. How about when Homer refers to his “friend” Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo [2], sorry, but again, it’s silly and hilarious. One more example: on Family Fued [3] the person whose name was funny found it funny, his family found it funny, and the host/audience found it funny. Do you not laugh or at least see the humour in it? Last one (promise). This Monty Python sketch [4] has been viewed 30M times on YouTube alone, it’s by the troupe of comedians that the python programming language is named after, and it’s all about people finding other people’s names hilarious. Regarding “riots” you miss the point. Duke is upset DHH uses the word riot, but Wikipedia also does. So they should be equally upset with Wikipedia. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherently_funny_word https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherently_funny_word [2] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-LtddOgUCE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-LtddOgUCE [3] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wF7Dc6_Xudc%0A https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wF7Dc6_Xudc%0A [4] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_G2a2hL6U https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_G2a2hL6U
bad_username 3y ago
Want to obtain free, rapid, socially approved intolerance? Just declare something else intolerant. And feel free to immediately become proudly intolerant yourself. This of course cannot reduce the total amount of intolerance in the world, only increade it. But who cares? Also people who are "intolerant to the intolerant" are, by definition, be intolerant to themselves.
- dangus 3y ago
  Okay, Basecamp leadership is super duper tolerant. That’s why they made a list of funny sounding non-Anglo names and kept it documented at the company. How tolerant of them! I’m sure that nobody working for a university would have a problem with that, since basically no professors or TAs or students paying full tuition have foreign-sounding names, right? Some reading material for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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