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Tesla Cybertruck needs separate battery pack in the bed to get promised range
- adoxyz 3y agoA separate battery pack that costs an extra $16k, and still doesn't get the promised range. Cybertruck has missed the mark big time.
- DoesntMatter22 3y agoThis affects almost nobody. It's not gonna matter.
- adfhadhinoi 3y agoIt's fraud. I will admit that this is a relatively benign fraud for Tesla. There's no obvious victim, unlike when Tesla simply pocketed $250,000,000 of deposits for the Roadster or conned people into buying "robotaxis" which fully self drove themselves into oncoming traffic.
- nameistaken 3y agoWhen did any of this happen. Get a grip.
- mplewis 3y agoWhen did Tesla take deposits for the Roadster? In 2017, and they haven't shown a prototype in years.
- DoesntMatter22 3y agoThe money is fully refundable, and the people who signed up agreed to the terms. There is no fraud there. They can still get their money back if they are tired of waiting.
- addicted 3y agoYeah, that can absolutely still be fraud. If you make someone sign a contract promising a product and you strongly indicate it will be delivered by a certain date, it’s still fraud if you know it won’t be delivered by that date even if the contract says that the date is just a suggestion. I mean, that’s actually the very definition of fraud. Getting someone to sign a contract by deceiving them. Of course, it’s hard to prove that someone knew that they were lying, which is why fraud is hard to prosecute. But it’s amazing seeing Tesla fans go out of their way to take bullets so Tesla doesn’t even suffer the social consequences their fraud should cause them for absolutely nothing.
- DoesntMatter22 3y agoSo you've proven is not fraud. You would have to prove that they knew they couldn't deliver it by that date. And you can't do that with any available information.
- rvz 3y ago> When did any of this happen. So the Level 5 ‘robotaxis’ that were promised to be delivered in 2020 by Elon Musk are now delivered and are on the roads then? I would also be annoyed if I was mislead into buying something that did not function or did not exist as advertised. That is deceptive advertising, which is frequent with Tesla’s FSD scam.
- runnerup 3y agoGoogle "Tesla Diversion Team". They've institutionalized management of their fraud. https://www.google.com/search?q=telsa+diversion+team https://www.google.com/search?q=telsa+diversion+team
- DoesntMatter22 3y agoThere was no fraud in any of this. People made the reservations after saying signing an agreement that said that the specifications may change. > buying "robotaxis" which fully self drove themselves into oncoming traffic. This doesn't even make sense as they haven't released any sort of Robo Taxi yet.
- ratg13 3y agoThey are likely referring to Elon’s 2018 promise that people that bought Teslas could make money while they slept because people could rent their Tesla from an app and the car would return to the users driveway by the morning.
- DoesntMatter22 3y agoSure but he didn't say it would happen for certain by a certain day. If he did, even then, it wouldn't be fraud, it would just be a company not living up to what they promised. Which is nothing new, nor is it fraud. Fraud would be someone intentionally deceiving you, which in this case would be nearly impossible to prove, hence not fraud.
- AmINotARobot 3y agoBut he did say that [0] and he does intentionally deceive customes. One of the key reasons why it doesn't constitute as fraud is his abundant use of "I'm confident that ____" (and similar) he uses when stating these ludicrous things. It is deceptive and it is amoral but legally it is not fraud since those are opinions and not stated as facts. [0] Article summarizing keynote (Apr. 2019) - https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-autonomous-driving-level-5-model-3-robotaxi/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-autonomous-driving-lev...
- buffington 3y agoI think that's giving Elon Musk too much credit. I think Elon says things fully expecting them to become true. Whenever I hear him say "I'm confident that X will happen by Y", I mentally add "provided that every single engineer at [one of his companies] puts in 20 hour days for 2 years and manages to solve a mountain of problems that have never been solved before." Sometimes it works, which unfortunately encourages the behavior.
- slovette 3y agoI don’t know a single person that bought a Tesla solely because they thought they’d be income generating “robotaxis”. Not a single one.
- sschueller 3y agoA 3d printing YouTuber I used to follow did just that. Justified the high cost of getting a model 3 that it will pay for itself in a year when the robotaxies feature is available. I stop following him after that. I can't take his reviews seriously if he falls for that crap.
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- frankus 3y agoIf these could be rented it could be interesting for occasional road trips instead of e.g. renting a whole car. It could also see something like this but using one of the very high energy density but non (in-situ) rechargable battery chemistries.
- pram 3y agoHow am I going to fit my Cyberquad now?
- refulgentis 3y agoLol I forgot about that! It looked pretty sweet, I wonder if it's still whispered about...anyone know?
- ksherlock 3y agoIt was a Yamaha raptor kit banged with zero motorcycle. Which is one step closer to production than a dancer off craigslist dressed in a white full body leotard. There are some actual electric ATVs available (in fact polaris/zero have partnered up to make some) but mostly they're ugly utv side-by-side beefed up golf carts.
- Nition 3y agoThey've made it smaller: https://shop.tesla.com/product/cyberquad-for-kids https://shop.tesla.com/product/cyberquad-for-kids
- duskwuff 3y agoAnd even that had problems: https://www.radioflyer.com/cyberquad-recall-faq https://www.radioflyer.com/cyberquad-recall-faq
- sonicanatidae 3y agolol...of course it does..
- buffington 3y agoAm I missing something? The advertised range of the announced vehicles are in the 250 to 340 mile range. When I read "promised range", those are the numbers I'm thinking of. The battery pack referred to in the article title adds to that promised range. Instead of the "promised range" of 250 to 340, it increases range to 440 to 470.
- unusualmonkey 3y agoThe top trim was originally announced with 500 mile range. That's changed as if yesterday with no real announcement AFAIK.
- buffington 3y agoAh, ok. I wasn't aware that the original range was different than what was announced. The article title makes more sense now.
- turtlebits 3y agoHeadline is a bit clickbaity- It also needs an additional $30,000 to get promised price (triple motor originally announced at $69,900).