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I feel like it already has limited social value except as a sort of MAGA hat for Elon. I predict it’ll have some rabid adherents but also develop a reputation a

I feel like it already has limited social value except as a sort of MAGA hat for Elon. I predict it’ll have some rabid adherents but also develop a reputation as a vehicle for assholes - already in a lot of circles the Tesla brand has a negative association due to Elon behaving like a nepo bully.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
You know that's a good point. I know everyone in my circles will feel that way. You can get away driving a normal Tesla but this one is really going to say something in particular. That you also have this sort of immature brash attitude that has led to Musk's negative public opinion. So you are right that might tank the product.
nomel 3y ago
I wish I was just an allowed to like things, without people coming up with some BS, especially political, about why I shouldn't. I suspect the bigger problem will be people like you, being judgmental assholes, rather than the "assholes" just buying something they think is neat. I'm mostly looking forward to cars/trucks maybe not looking the same as they have for the last 50 years.
- threeseed 3y ago
  You are free to do whatever you like. And others are free to do what they like. Which for most people includes making judgements about who you are based on the clothes you wear, the car you drive, the style of haircut etc. And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour.
  - nomel 3y ago
    > Which for most people includes making judgements about who you are based on the clothes you wear, the car you drive, the style of haircut etc. But, it's important to understand that the people with some hairstyle aren't the assholes. That would be entirely on the people saying they're assholes for their choice of hair shaft placement. > And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour. I don't believe most Tesla owners are aware of this. Most that I know see an obvious choice in a product with no real competition.
    - dragontamer 3y ago
      > I don't believe most Tesla owners are aware of this. Most that I know see an obvious choice in a product with no real competition. Cybertruck isn't even released yet, all the dates here are 2024. Meanwhile, Ford 150 Lightning and Rivian actually exist (and have existed for literally years). You can't even properly call the Cybertruck a competitor until its truly available. And the low-price model has a "might be released in 2025, we don't have the specs either" right there front and center. That's not competition, that's vaporware.
      - nomel 3y ago
        > Cybertruck isn't even released yet, all the dates here are 2024. I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that only the purchase of a Cybertruck is related to this "behavior", but not a Model 3/Y/X/S, when you said: > And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour. Is there some Cybertruck related behavior I'm not aware of? Maybe you could state the behavior that Cybertruck and/or Tesla owners are supposedly agreeing with/ambivalent about?
        dragontamer 3y ago
        > real competition Cybertruck isn't real competition yet. EDIT: Anyone who is seriously considering a vehicle in this form factor is looking at F150 Lightning and/or Rivian right now. The $61k Cybertruck has a "maybe by 2025" date stamped right there, and the $80k Cybertruck says "2024" at the earliest, with no actual month specified. I think we're all assuming that's "January 2024", but... none of us actually know that. If GM Silverado's EV comes into widespread production/release before Cybertruck its just going to be that much more hilarious. ------------ The _ONLY_ reason to consider Cybertruck is because you're into Elon's reality distortion field IMO. Anyone who needed a truck this year or last year already got one. And anyone thinking of one this month, or next month (barely: December 2023) ain't looking at Cybertruck either. Being a Cybertruck fan right now is about trusting Elon and saying "Yeah, I think he's still got this", despite all the other crap he's been doing this year. At least Model X / Model 3 / etc. etc. fans can say they bought the car before Elon went full tilt crazy with Twitter/X.
  - kcb 3y ago
    Sure but the person judging the clothes you wear, the car you drive, the style of haircut etc. certainly is silly to try to make themselves the non-asshole in this story.
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      It depends if the clothes in question involve things like a t-shirt that says "I endorse hateful, anti-semetic conspiracy theories". In that case, the wearer would be the asshole, and the observer not.
    - taurath 3y ago
      I think they’re judging you for your choices rather than the clothing itself. People express their opinions all the time in what they purchase or how the express themselves. Should we be blind to it?
  - starcraft2wol 3y ago
    > And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour. Do you do a regular check on the CEOs of all the products you buy?
    - operatingthetan 3y ago
      Other companies' CEOs haven't intentionally intertwined their politics and their public image in quite the same way Musk has.
      - starcraft2wol 3y ago
        Ah so it's about public image and reputation, not harm.
        operatingthetan 3y ago
        I don't see any mention of harm in this sub-thread.
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0xDEAFBEAD 3y ago
Probably lots of truck buyers wearing MAGA hats already, they know their target market? Standard business advice: It's better to have a product that a few people love than a product that lots of people think is just OK.
jedberg 3y ago
I've seen a lot of Teslas around the Bay Area with bumper stickers that say "I got this before Elon went crazy".
- angoragoats 3y ago
  I've seen these stickers too, and if you ever see one on a Model 3 or Y the owner is full of shit. Elon was in full-on crazy mode at the latest by 2017, well before either of these models even shipped to customers.
- czbond 3y ago
  Gotta virtue signal! I don't know Elon's views - nor do I care. I drive a Jeep - and couldn't care less about the executive's political views & wouldn't be insecure enough to place it on a bumper sticker.
  - acdha 3y ago
    This is the tragedy of Musk’s poor self control: there’s a fair chance a Jeep exec is nutty about something, but they’re smart enough to keep their mouths shut and not turn away customers. If he just stuck with the standard Republican mainstream, it’d be fine - everyone assumes rich dudes are voting for the people giving them tax cuts - but he just can’t stop publicly supporting wildly repulsive things which force people to ask whether they can stomach giving him money. The bar is so low and yet he can’t stop tripping over it…
  - TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    Unfortunately now that Musk is ruler of one of the world's largest communication platforms it's becoming extremely difficult to ignore his increasingly polarized views. And even if you avoid them, other people will not.
starcraft2wol 3y ago
> cybertruck is the maga hat of trucks How is this a real comment?
- Always_Anon 3y ago
  EDS: Elon Derangement Syndrome
  - CaptWillard 3y ago
    The hate for Elon is trite, tedious and says more about the weakness of the hater than their virtue.
- taurath 3y ago
  Because it’s not. You changed what I said.
  - starcraft2wol 3y ago
    Please correct with your intended interpretation.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

You know that's a good point. I know everyone in my circles will feel that way. You can get away driving a normal Tesla but this one is really going to say something in particular. That you also have this sort of immature brash attitude that has led to Musk's negative public opinion. So you are right that might tank the product.

nomel 3y ago

I wish I was just an allowed to like things, without people coming up with some BS, especially political, about why I shouldn't. I suspect the bigger problem will be people like you, being judgmental assholes, rather than the "assholes" just buying something they think is neat. I'm mostly looking forward to cars/trucks maybe not looking the same as they have for the last 50 years.

threeseed 3y ago
You are free to do whatever you like. And others are free to do what they like. Which for most people includes making judgements about who you are based on the clothes you wear, the car you drive, the style of haircut etc. And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour.
- nomel 3y ago
  > Which for most people includes making judgements about who you are based on the clothes you wear, the car you drive, the style of haircut etc. But, it's important to understand that the people with some hairstyle aren't the assholes. That would be entirely on the people saying they're assholes for their choice of hair shaft placement. > And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour. I don't believe most Tesla owners are aware of this. Most that I know see an obvious choice in a product with no real competition.
  - dragontamer 3y ago
    > I don't believe most Tesla owners are aware of this. Most that I know see an obvious choice in a product with no real competition. Cybertruck isn't even released yet, all the dates here are 2024. Meanwhile, Ford 150 Lightning and Rivian actually exist (and have existed for literally years). You can't even properly call the Cybertruck a competitor until its truly available. And the low-price model has a "might be released in 2025, we don't have the specs either" right there front and center. That's not competition, that's vaporware.
    - nomel 3y ago
      > Cybertruck isn't even released yet, all the dates here are 2024. I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that only the purchase of a Cybertruck is related to this "behavior", but not a Model 3/Y/X/S, when you said: > And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour. Is there some Cybertruck related behavior I'm not aware of? Maybe you could state the behavior that Cybertruck and/or Tesla owners are supposedly agreeing with/ambivalent about?
      - dragontamer 3y ago
        > real competition Cybertruck isn't real competition yet. EDIT: Anyone who is seriously considering a vehicle in this form factor is looking at F150 Lightning and/or Rivian right now. The $61k Cybertruck has a "maybe by 2025" date stamped right there, and the $80k Cybertruck says "2024" at the earliest, with no actual month specified. I think we're all assuming that's "January 2024", but... none of us actually know that. If GM Silverado's EV comes into widespread production/release before Cybertruck its just going to be that much more hilarious. ------------ The _ONLY_ reason to consider Cybertruck is because you're into Elon's reality distortion field IMO. Anyone who needed a truck this year or last year already got one. And anyone thinking of one this month, or next month (barely: December 2023) ain't looking at Cybertruck either. Being a Cybertruck fan right now is about trusting Elon and saying "Yeah, I think he's still got this", despite all the other crap he's been doing this year. At least Model X / Model 3 / etc. etc. fans can say they bought the car before Elon went full tilt crazy with Twitter/X.
- kcb 3y ago
  Sure but the person judging the clothes you wear, the car you drive, the style of haircut etc. certainly is silly to try to make themselves the non-asshole in this story.
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    It depends if the clothes in question involve things like a t-shirt that says "I endorse hateful, anti-semetic conspiracy theories". In that case, the wearer would be the asshole, and the observer not.
  - taurath 3y ago
    I think they’re judging you for your choices rather than the clothing itself. People express their opinions all the time in what they purchase or how the express themselves. Should we be blind to it?
- starcraft2wol 3y ago
  > And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour. Do you do a regular check on the CEOs of all the products you buy?
  - operatingthetan 3y ago
    Other companies' CEOs haven't intentionally intertwined their politics and their public image in quite the same way Musk has.
    - starcraft2wol 3y ago
      Ah so it's about public image and reputation, not harm.
      - operatingthetan 3y ago
        I don't see any mention of harm in this sub-thread.
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0xDEAFBEAD 3y ago

Probably lots of truck buyers wearing MAGA hats already, they know their target market? Standard business advice: It's better to have a product that a few people love than a product that lots of people think is just OK.

jedberg 3y ago

I've seen a lot of Teslas around the Bay Area with bumper stickers that say "I got this before Elon went crazy".

angoragoats 3y ago
I've seen these stickers too, and if you ever see one on a Model 3 or Y the owner is full of shit. Elon was in full-on crazy mode at the latest by 2017, well before either of these models even shipped to customers.
czbond 3y ago
Gotta virtue signal! I don't know Elon's views - nor do I care. I drive a Jeep - and couldn't care less about the executive's political views & wouldn't be insecure enough to place it on a bumper sticker.
- acdha 3y ago
  This is the tragedy of Musk’s poor self control: there’s a fair chance a Jeep exec is nutty about something, but they’re smart enough to keep their mouths shut and not turn away customers. If he just stuck with the standard Republican mainstream, it’d be fine - everyone assumes rich dudes are voting for the people giving them tax cuts - but he just can’t stop publicly supporting wildly repulsive things which force people to ask whether they can stomach giving him money. The bar is so low and yet he can’t stop tripping over it…
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  Unfortunately now that Musk is ruler of one of the world's largest communication platforms it's becoming extremely difficult to ignore his increasingly polarized views. And even if you avoid them, other people will not.

starcraft2wol 3y ago

> cybertruck is the maga hat of trucks How is this a real comment?

Always_Anon 3y ago
EDS: Elon Derangement Syndrome
- CaptWillard 3y ago
  The hate for Elon is trite, tedious and says more about the weakness of the hater than their virtue.
taurath 3y ago
Because it’s not. You changed what I said.
- starcraft2wol 3y ago
  Please correct with your intended interpretation.