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Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029 htt
by everfrustrated 3y ago
Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_
That's incredible marketing.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029
- mvdtnz 3y agoI am a car enthusiast (although not one who could afford either a 911 nor a Cybertruck) but respectfully, who cares about quarter mile times? Most car people I know want a car with some poke, but care much more about how it handles twisties (and how much fun it is doing so). And I'd bet my bottom dollar the 911 would beat the refrigerator-looking truck all day long.
- Freedom2 3y agoBut what if you need to help your friends move a quarter mile at a time as fast as possible?
- vaidhy 3y agoWe call it a sprint in software engineering and that is how we run marathons :)
- brewdad 3y ago[flagged]
- adgrnhioaedntio 3y ago[flagged]
- m463 3y agoMost people don't need 16gb of ram, or a pickup bed, or more than one bathroom, or...
- wepple 3y agoI think you missed the point? Tesla brag about fast quarter mile speeds which don’t really amount to much, whereas a really nice driving experience via good suspension and weight distribution is truly wonderful. Let’s see Tesla brag about Nurburgring times!
- m463 3y agoYes, but people BUY 16gb of ram, and BUY a pickup bed, and BUY extra bathrooms... and they BUY a truck that can accelerate (almost) like a porsche. note truck cannot accelerate like a plaid :)
- wepple 3y agoOh, maybe I missed the point then? People buy the hyper inflated metric that sounds good, even if it’s not actually what they want? A huge one of this is (or was?) megapixels in cameras. When actually, sensor size & quality, and glass quality matters a ton.
- mplewis 3y agoWhen I'm in a truck, I'm more concerned about braking than acceleration.
- FireBeyond 3y ago> Let’s see Tesla brag about Nurburgring times! They do, or try to. But then there's this awkward moment when you ask about lap 2 or 3 where the Porsche or Audi or whatever is still blazing around the track while your Plaid is pulled over in Thermal Shutdown mode.
- ponector 3y ago16 GB of ram is barely enough to use modern Chrome.
- yreg 3y agoI drive the slowest Tesla there is, but I find its acceleration from 0 to 50km/h very beneficial. It feels much more safe when merging, overtaking, etc, compared to my previous (rather weak and old) car. And I do my best to not drive as a jackass.
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- tamimio 3y agoComparing apple to orange.. still will get 911 any day.
- grecy 3y agoElon said a long time ago they wanted their vehicles to be a smackdown for Internal Combustion Engines, and I think they're getting there. This is the kind of marketing that make regular people go "Wait, what? How is that possible?". More than about 10 years ago that was simply unheard of, and I'm certain people would have said it was impossible. Useful or not, it's a very impressive thing to do. 99% of automakers would be happy if they could build a sports scar faster than a 911, let alone a pickup with 11,000lbs towing capacity.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoAFAICT, sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common. What automakers would be happy to beat would be the 911's handling.
- grecy 3y ago> AFAICT, sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common Can you provide a list please? You are very much mistaken without getting into supercar territory.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoAFAICT, Tesla was testing against a base model 911. The list would be pretty short comparing against a Turbo S.
- grecy 3y agoI'm asking for a list of production vehicle that don't cost as much as a house that run a sub 11 quarter mile. You said "sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common", so you should be able to pull together a big list easily.
- valval 3y agoYou’ll be let down if you expect people to be talking about things they know about on HN.
- rgmerk 3y agoThere is something quite shocking (pardon the pun) to older car enthusiasts about just how fast off the line dual-motor EVs are. The super coupes of one’s youth are utterly obliterated on the dragstrip, not by EV coupes, but by family SUVs and pickup trucks. That said, just because they can go fast in a straight line doesn’t make them in any way equivalent to a 911. Give me a mountain pass or a racetrack, (and no kids or stuff to carry) and I’ll take the 911 every single time.
- rurp 3y agoOr a route that's more than a couple hundred miles :)
- rainsford 3y agoAlso a 911 looks like a cool sports car, while the cybertruck looks like it's being rendered by a Super Nintendo. A lot of the attraction of sports cars is the cool aesthetic, which your average family SUV or pickup truck really doesn't have, and the cybertruck has a negative amount of.
- starcraft2wol 3y agoI don't think this comment will age well.
- enjoylife 3y agoIf the “Lindy effect” holds true for the 911, it might be quite a long time before the 911 and its variants go out of style. The same cannot be said for the cyber truck, and all of the other short lived prototype cars that have very harsh angular lines.
- starcraft2wol 3y agovery harsh angular lines == faddish design?
- pmcjones 3y ago
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago> > That's incredible marketing. Still the best statement to describe Musk and his companies.
- hx8 3y agoAre you saying the best statement you can use to describe SpaceX is "incredible marketing"?
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago[flagged]
- photonbeam 3y agoLaunching spy satellites has utility
- mjamesaustin 3y agoThey made $1.4 billion in revenue on their Starlink internet service last year. Satellite internet was already a successful product before SpaceX entered the market, and they're providing much faster service at a lower price. If you look at the space industry as a whole, over 60% of all rockets launched last year were by SpaceX, and their cost per kg launched is a fraction of their competitors. It's strange to refer to this as "buzz" when they're objectively providing successful services that many people and organizations are paying for.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago[flagged]
- yreg 3y ago> I know one thing though, you aren't using Starlink. And your brother and sister and cousin and brother in law aren't using it either. You "know" nothing.
- burkaman 3y agoThat's a cool video, but very strange decision to have audio of Elon at some press conference or something instead of the actual race. You're expecting engines and tire screeches and instead it's like 5 or 10 mildly excited people that aren't there.
- mint2 3y agoEVs motors don’t wake you up when your car enthusiast neighbor gets home late at night if they’re driving a EV sports car. If it’s an ice car, different story. Does that answer your question?
- adgrnhioaedntio 3y agoThe 911 Turbo S has a 0-60 time of 2.6 seconds, but Car and Driver clocked it at 2.2. Its quarter-mile time is 10.1 seconds. https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-turbo-turbo-s https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-turbo-turbo-s I don't know what's going on with that video. If we take Tesla's numbers at face value, which I definitely don't given their history, the 911 Turbo S is dramatically faster on the straights. Is Tesla claiming that the Cybertruck gets faster with a 911 in tow? If so, why isn't there an option for a 911 trailer? Methinks Tesla is up to their old tricks! https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-autopilot-staged-engineer-says-company-faked-full-autopilot/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-autopilot-staged-engineer...
- cmac2992 3y agoIt's clearly not a 911 Turbo or Turbo s. Probably a base 911. Also not discounting tesla shenanigans. Would be easy enough to run the 1/4 a few times and get the 911 nice heat soaked and way down on power.
- adgrnhioaedntio 3y agoAh, so it's nothing. There are Mustangs that will beat a base-model 911 in a straight line. I couldn't tell what model it was, as Twitter video has been broken for me for months.
- DennisP 3y agoProbably not while towing another 911 though.
- kllrnohj 3y agoIt's going to be pretty hard to heat soak a 911 to get it down on power. They're proper sports cars designed to hit the track. The shenanigans was simply in choosing that car at all. A base 911 only claims a 0-60 of 4s and doesn't even break 400hp. It's never been a straight line car, that's not what it's trying to do or why enthusiasts love it.
- LightBug1 3y agoIt's perfect marketing for its target audience: people who don't know better (no offence meant).
- comprev 3y agoAll marketing is aimed at people who don't know better. "Buy our product because it's better than X,Y,Z..."
- screye 3y agoFor the longest time, a section of the car enthusiast community has said that 'slow car fast is better than fast car fast'. Now a days, it is taken to mean that a light car that is fast enough is always more fun than a heavier car, no matter how fast. The Tesla Cybertruck might be the best example of this phenomenon. At 7000 lbs and a high ground clearance, there is no amount of power that can make this car feel nimble.
- yreg 3y ago> At 7000 lbs and a high ground clearance, there is no amount of power that can make this car feel nimble. Why do you believe that? (I assume you have not test driven it.) From the videos it seems to feel very nimble.
- rainsford 3y agoI have admittedly not test driven it, but there's certain fundamental physical realities that are pretty hard to overcome. Ride height and vehicle weight universally negatively impact handling on the road because they increase your momentum, center of gravity, suspension travel, etc. Weight in particular is hard to counteract because going around a corner relies on being able to redirect that mass using only the friction generated by the contact patch of the tires. Unless Tesla has found unobtanium tires or figured out how to negate the laws of physics, cornering at any kind of speed in a cybertruck is going to suck compared to a lighter vehicle.
- yreg 3y agoThanks for explaining your thoughts.
- xcv123 3y agoMotorsports enthusiasts look at Nürburgring lap times. The Porsche 911 is at the highest level of performance on any track where you actually have to use the brakes and steering wheel. If the Cybertruck can do a good lap on the Nürburgring then its "FAST", but it probably isn't, due to weight. The 911 is not built for drag racing, it's built for a track with corners where you have to use the brakes and steering wheel. In terms of pure drag racing the Cybertruck is a loser. Top Fuel dragsters can do 0 to 60 in ~0.8 seconds and can do a quarter mile in less than 5 seconds. There's no comparison here. But the Cybertruck has an insane amount of torque, 10x beyond the equivalent ICE vehicle. It can tow, that's for sure.
- gamblor956 3y agoThe Porsche 911 wasn't being driven at top speed. It has a 1/4 mile time (9.9 seconds) a full second faster than a Cybertruck (10.9 seconds). Its sort of like saying some kid on the high school track team running all out is faster than Hussain Bolt when he's running a warmup lap.
- qwytw 3y agoIt seems they just picked a slower config to make it look better. To be fair the Turbo S which does 9.9s is 2.5x more expensive than the base config/Cybertruck.
- agloe_dreams 3y ago* A base model 911. The base 911 is not intended to be fast in a straight line. It's actually about as fast as a Model 3 Dual Motor Long range. Base 911 is about experience, feel, and handling. I say this because the mid-range 911 Turbo S would blow the doors off an unladen Cybertruck Tri-motor with it's 2.2s 0-60.
- valval 3y agoWhat sort of comparison are you looking to make here? The Roadster will be competing with 911, not Cybertruck. You’re getting up in arms against a marketing gimmick.
- whicks 3y agoIt was done for the Rivian R1T first, in March of 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acSdPy38XKU&pp=ygUScjF0IHRvd2luZyBpbiByYWNl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acSdPy38XKU&pp=ygUScjF0IHRvd...
- awkwardpotato 3y agoActually, MotorTrends pulled this exact stunt (Tesla pulling fast car vs fast car) all the way back in 2016 with the Model X vs Alfa Romeo 4C. Original full video seems to have been deleted but here's a Vimeo re-upload: https://vimeo.com/253258542 https://vimeo.com/253258542 MotorTrend's Instragram promoting a short clip of it: https://www.instagram.com/p/BDHcw67Ixw1/ https://www.instagram.com/p/BDHcw67Ixw1/
- wolrah 3y agoChris Harris did it back in 2013 with two ICE vehicles (G63 AMG pulling a Fiesta ST) when the modern EV era was just getting started and none were officially rated to tow: https://youtu.be/5Ea7k3VAdi8 https://youtu.be/5Ea7k3VAdi8
- kube-system 3y agoAutomakers have been towing each other's vehicles and comparing to Porsche for decades: https://i.pinimg.com/474x/08/32/5f/08325fd8b2a6e882b2a6e9ff80fe3001.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/474x/08/32/5f/08325fd8b2a6e882b2a6e9ff8... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j-qy1s1RIM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j-qy1s1RIM
- cyclecount 3y agoThis is the exact kind of crap I remember from TV ads for trucks in the 90s. This is cheesy garbage.
- ChatGTP 3y agoIt’s cool but it’s just another dick measuring contest.