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> That next day, I called my manager and I told them I was resigning. They blew a gasket — absolutely blew a gasket I don't understand how someone could be res

> That next day, I called my manager and I told them I was resigning. They blew a gasket — absolutely blew a gasket I don't understand how someone could be responsible for a policy that puts people's livelihood at risk under the headline of "just business things" and not expect the same treatment from their employees. "sorry boss - just looking out for my shareholder: me"

allenp 3y ago
I'm genuinely curious about this - my best guess is there may be some measurement on the manager's employee retention numbers or similar that would make the manager look bad to have an employee quit.
datadrivenangel 3y ago
I once had a manager at a temp-to-hire job spend the first 10 minutes of my resignation call swearing angrily about the situation. He clarified that it wasn't anger at me specifically, but it was an impressive fit. Some people don't react well to failure.
- yoyohello13 3y ago
  I feel like having so little control over your emotions should be an instant rejection from any management position. Swearing angrily in any professional setting is just ridiculous.
gangstead 3y ago
The manager was probably mad because they wasted a PIP on someone else. From other accounts here I've seen that if your manager gets any inkling that you are leaving they will throw a PIP on you to meet their quota.
- impute 3y ago
  So you mean when they resign instead that PIP no longer counts towards the manager's quota and they have to find someone else?
  - creativenolo 3y ago
    You put the people leaving or who have left down as the low performers over the quarter. You have your quota of low performers. No pip show required.
  - gangstead 3y ago
    Yes. In the story it sounds like they talked their manager out of putting them on Pivot (aka PIP): > I wasn't put on Pivot. My manager wanted to work with me a little bit to see if I was going to commit to the job. So they sat me down and said I could go on Pivot and leave right away, or they would work with me So the manager probably put someone else on Pivot to meet their quota and when the author left now they are down two people. If they knew the author was leaving they would have ranked them dead last, put on PIP, and then part of their quota is met. Also this quote shows the farce that Pivot is. It sounds like the manager did a PIP-before-the-PIP because they actually wanted them to stay and Pivot is just CYA performance for someone on the way out. I've never worked at Amazon but people talk about Pivot coming with severance, but the author chose to leave for free. Maybe there's some disadvantage to accepting the severance? Not eligible for future rehire if you accept? Maybe it's just too hard to time getting a new job right at the conclusion of the PIP?
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    I refused to resign when I got put on pivot. But I did prepare. Why walk away from in my case an additional vesting event and 3+ months salary as severance and getting reimbursed for my unused paid time off?
scarface_74 3y ago
Context: yes I got Amazoned a few months ago, see my top level comments. My livelihood is based on my ability to get a job, keeping my skills current and keeping my network strong. I would never base my livelihood on the whims of one company. A job is merely transactional. I exchange labor for money. When the company decides my labor is not worth the money they are paying me or I decide that the pay/bullshit ratio is going in the wrong direction, I change jobs and find another company that will give me money for my labor. I’ve done so 9 times in my career and 6 since 2008.

allenp 3y ago

I'm genuinely curious about this - my best guess is there may be some measurement on the manager's employee retention numbers or similar that would make the manager look bad to have an employee quit.

datadrivenangel 3y ago

I once had a manager at a temp-to-hire job spend the first 10 minutes of my resignation call swearing angrily about the situation. He clarified that it wasn't anger at me specifically, but it was an impressive fit. Some people don't react well to failure.

yoyohello13 3y ago
I feel like having so little control over your emotions should be an instant rejection from any management position. Swearing angrily in any professional setting is just ridiculous.

gangstead 3y ago

The manager was probably mad because they wasted a PIP on someone else. From other accounts here I've seen that if your manager gets any inkling that you are leaving they will throw a PIP on you to meet their quota.

impute 3y ago
So you mean when they resign instead that PIP no longer counts towards the manager's quota and they have to find someone else?
- creativenolo 3y ago
  You put the people leaving or who have left down as the low performers over the quarter. You have your quota of low performers. No pip show required.
- gangstead 3y ago
  Yes. In the story it sounds like they talked their manager out of putting them on Pivot (aka PIP): > I wasn't put on Pivot. My manager wanted to work with me a little bit to see if I was going to commit to the job. So they sat me down and said I could go on Pivot and leave right away, or they would work with me So the manager probably put someone else on Pivot to meet their quota and when the author left now they are down two people. If they knew the author was leaving they would have ranked them dead last, put on PIP, and then part of their quota is met. Also this quote shows the farce that Pivot is. It sounds like the manager did a PIP-before-the-PIP because they actually wanted them to stay and Pivot is just CYA performance for someone on the way out. I've never worked at Amazon but people talk about Pivot coming with severance, but the author chose to leave for free. Maybe there's some disadvantage to accepting the severance? Not eligible for future rehire if you accept? Maybe it's just too hard to time getting a new job right at the conclusion of the PIP?
- scarface_74 3y ago
  I refused to resign when I got put on pivot. But I did prepare. Why walk away from in my case an additional vesting event and 3+ months salary as severance and getting reimbursed for my unused paid time off?

scarface_74 3y ago

Context: yes I got Amazoned a few months ago, see my top level comments. My livelihood is based on my ability to get a job, keeping my skills current and keeping my network strong. I would never base my livelihood on the whims of one company. A job is merely transactional. I exchange labor for money. When the company decides my labor is not worth the money they are paying me or I decide that the pay/bullshit ratio is going in the wrong direction, I change jobs and find another company that will give me money for my labor. I’ve done so 9 times in my career and 6 since 2008.