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This is a bit extreme, but will ultimately solve itself. Once cultivated meat is significantly cheaper and tastes as good as real meat, the world will move to
by underdeserver 3y ago
This is a bit extreme, but will ultimately solve itself.
Once cultivated meat is significantly cheaper and tastes as good as real meat, the world will move to it, and Italy will eventually follow suit.
- fooker 3y agoCultivated meat is cancer by definition. It is just as likely that the idea will peter out slowly.
- goldenkey 3y agoFactory farmed meat is cancer too. I'd say, save the animals, and give a little toxicity to all the proles who haven't gone unprocessed plant-based yet.
- fooker 3y agoSure, I don't disagree.
- peterpost2 3y agoThat seems a bit far fetched, this is only the very beginning of that field of research.
- fooker 3y agoAnd the beginning is exactly that, how to prod cancer cells to grow tissues.
- unnamed76ri 3y agoChasing taste over nutrition is what has led to all the nutrient deficient food we currently have. Unfortunately, that probably doesn’t mean you are wrong.
- phstack 3y agoIs it viable to manually inject nutriënts into the meat?
- orangepurple 3y agoDo you not realize the absurdity of your own question?
- sevagh 3y agoI thought it was chasing cosmetics, size, and quantity (e.g. giant bland tomatos, overfed hormone chicken) that led to nutrient deficiency.
- unnamed76ri 3y agoYes all those things also. I oversimplified for the sake of brevity.
- Spivak 3y agoIs there any reason to believe this will happen or is it just pure hopium? Like what are the odds the new thing will be the same, cheaper, less cruel, and better for the environment? We can't even make non-meat meat that's as cheap as meat and you didn't even have to grow or feed the cow.
- aik 3y agoShort term: Odds are very low. Long term: Odds are very high. Science is not done in TikTok videos.
- llamataboot 3y agoHave no idea about cost. I don't have much of an ethical problem with killing and eating humanely and sustainably raised and cared for animals for a reasonable degree of those things, factory farming and assembly line slaughterhouses are not that. Better for the environment seems a no brainer given the ecological costs of the amount of meat we eat. I can't imagine it will be the same as in no difference at all, or undetectable, maybe it will even always be more delicious, but I think it's reasonable to think that for lots and lots of dishes with meat in it, it would pass a blind taste test. Raw steak, maybe not. Beef stew or chicken curry or a burger - def...
- i_am_jl 3y ago>We can't even make non-meat meat that's as cheap as meat and you didn't even have to grow or feed the cow. In the US if you remove the government subsidies from meat production the price of a pound of ground beef jumps ~500%. https://scet.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/CopyofFINALSavingThePlanetSustainableMeatAlternatives.pdf https://scet.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/CopyofFINALSavi...
- shrubble 3y agoThats so obviously ridiculous on its face, it's not even worth answering. In what nation is ground beef 5x the price of USA?
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- rcMgD2BwE72F 3y agoBy then, people will have certainly realized it's much cheaper and healthier to just eat unprocessed plant-based protein foods.
- MattGaiser 3y agoThe key thing though is whether it is tastier.
- martin_a 3y agoIt's all about the spices. I ate some chicken nuggets made out of rice and they tasted just like the ones from Mc Donalds.
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- laputan_machine 3y ago> I ate some chicken nuggets made out of rice Do other people not see how ridiculous this is? I partially agree with Italy's decision, at least to the naming of food. You didn't eat chicken nuggets made out of rice. You ate deep-fried rice balls trying to simulate the taste of chicken nuggets, and they might have tasted similar to chicken nuggets, but that is an incredibly low bar to set in terms of taste (mostly spices) and texture (terrible). The nutrient profile wouldn't have had nearly the amount of protein, vitamins or other nutrients an actual chicken nugget would have had, either.
- delecti 3y agoLets not pretend that McDonald's chicken nuggets are some natural unprocessed thing that humans have been eating for centuries. If I want a chicken mcnugget, I'm expecting a frankenfood. And if I can get them without needing to subject actual chickens to the horrors usually involved in factory farming, then so much the better.
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- krisoft 3y agoOr the Tom Scott equivalent of the 2300's will post a funny video about the weird historical reason why you can't buy your favourite rhino patty in Italy.
- simiones 3y ago> Once cultivated meat is significantly cheaper [than real meat]? Is there any real chance of that in the next, say, 100 years? I would imagine the bio engineering that evolution arrived at for converting nutrients to meat+organs+bone is quite close to optimal for its purpose. If so, getting anywhere near, even if you get rid of the organs + bones*, would need a looooong time. Especially since you'd be converting cheap workers taking care of animals with bio-engineers tending meat vats in pretty good sterility. *which anyway is probably not fully desirable if you expect the full taste of real meat
- its-summertime 3y agohttps://www.google.com/search?q=cow+chicken+efficiency&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=cow+chicken+efficiency&tbm=i... doesn't seem efficient with this near comical amount of disparity between animals
- gdhkgdhkvff 3y ago100 years is a very very long time. 100 years ago, a little over half of all homes in the US still didn’t have electricity. 100 years ago, around 2/3 of homes didn’t have a telephone. I would absolutely take the bet that we would have cheaper cultivated meat within 100 years, barring an extinction level event…
- dfxm12 3y agoI don't think so, at least not if that timeframe overlaps with the current regime. This is something like an ID pol issue for the conservatives in power in Italy (and FL). Further context focused on the US: https://newrepublic.com/article/171781/meat-culture-war-crickets https://newrepublic.com/article/171781/meat-culture-war-cric...
- barrenko 3y agoPersonally I give it the same P or timeline as quantum computing.
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- Eumenes 3y agoyeah sorry, just because some university researchers and VC backed silicon valley startups are into synthetic meat because they've crunched the numbers and think it'll make them billions and also tug at the collective guilt because of climate change, will not throw away thousands of years of human tradition.
- x86x87 3y agoCultivated meat is not going to taste better than real meat. I don't think this should ever be a goal.
- marcosdumay 3y agoWay to cap a nascent industry before it even finishes being born. We have no idea what cultivated meat can taste like, how healthy it can be, and how cheap it can become. Right now there is a handful of research-based companies trying to make the thing, and none really succeeded at anything.
- x86x87 3y agoWhat does that have to do with anything? People try new stuff all the time. Make sure consumers understand what it is and don't call it meat. Don't try to get consumption by selling a lie.
- marcosdumay 3y agoHum... I'm not sure you got the context of my comment. It's not a reply to the article.
- ct0 3y agoEconomies of scale will be a significant hurdle. Id imagine that there would have to be countries producing at a massive scale for your hypothetical to become reality.
- Ekaros 3y agoOr it might not... It might be that cultivated meat will never scale in price or match the structure and profile of real meat. Still, Italy is in many cases on premium products so they would be last ones to die anyway...