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> I'm planning on having a cybertruck Do you live during the zombie apocalypse? It seems so unnecessary and unsafe to those around you especially pedestrians.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
The Cybertruck will be the ultimate "fuck you" status symbol after everyone got bored of the vanilla Teslas as every tech bro and their mom have one now and in the wealthy EU cities they're used as taxis, making them uncool for those who want to be seen as "avantgarde" while still retaining the vulgarity of the pick-up truck. Elon was a marketing genius here.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Everyone buys different luxury goods. If they want cybertrucks, and it offsets combustion miles, so be it. Telling the consumer they don’t want something doesn’t work; give them what they want. Anything that destroys petroleum demand is welcome, even if impractical. Not my money. (the US is responsible for ~35% of global gasoline consumption [1] [2] [3]) [1] https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/gasoline-superusers-only-10-of-us-drivers-burn-almost-a-third-of-the-gas/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/gasoline-superusers-only-... [2] https://coltura.org/gasoline-superusers-2-report/ https://coltura.org/gasoline-superusers-2-report/ [3] https://ibb.co/Vq928g5 https://ibb.co/Vq928g5
  - uoaei 3y ago
    Many people don't buy luxury goods, even those with money. Luxuries are pointless by definition, so clearly having money is not a valuable metric for knowing what's good or not.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      People who don’t have purchasing power don’t move the needle. Inconvenient truth. They get dragged along by other factors. Tesla built out their >$1B global supercharger network and manufacturing base on luxury vehicle sales (S, X), for example (until they could spin up 3, Y, and utility scale storage manufacturing). And their profit margin is still higher than legacy auto. TLDR Sell to people with money and who aren’t price sensitive, pour that cashflow into spinning up a flywheel. Fighting reality will lead to disappointment, ignore feelings and operate according to the data. Go where the money is. Buyers with only opinions are not worth chasing.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >People who don’t have purchasing power don’t move the needle. Inconvenient truth. Yes they do. You'll never complete the EV transition by only selling 50k+ Euro EVs. Eventually you'll run out of people with disposable income to buy your pricy EVs and those are the minority of consumers, not the majority. China leads the world in EV sales precisely because they didn't start at the top selling premium EVs first, but started instead from the bottom by selling cheap EVS to the mases.
- chrisco255 3y ago
  I mean, the Cybertruck starts at $39K, so it's right in line with other trucks available on the market in the U.S. They haven't really chosen a luxury price point. They clearly intend to mass market this thing. Pick-up trucks aren't vulgar, they're simply practical and useful.
  - zlsa 3y ago
    It has been a while since they've talked about that price, and I would not expect it to be anywhere near that price point today, given <gestures at everything>.
    - chrisco255 3y ago
      They might jack it up by $10K or so but that still puts it in line with other passenger trucks. An F150 dual cab Lariat starts at $57K. Dual cab Tacomas with four wheel drive run at least $38K, but if you want leather seats and a nicer trim like Teslas come with, that typically runs $48K or more.
      - hamburglar 3y ago
        There is no chance a cybertruck is going to start at a mere $10k over original base price. My prediction is that it’ll “start at” $70k for the one-motor version, but that won’t be available for over a year. The 2 and 3 motor builds will be prioritized and they will cost $90k+
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >There is no chance a cybertruck is going to start at a mere $10k over original base price. My opinion as well. There's no way Tesla can deliver everything, or at least most of what they promised about the Cybertruck at that price point, considering the manufacturing challenges of that thing.
  - heleninboodler 3y ago
    In 2019, the target starting price was ~$40k. Given inflation and other factors that have wildly increased prices, as well as it more and more sounding like a "halo" vehicle, as well as the supply being a tiny fraction of demand, I'd be surprised if the starting price wasn't literally double that $40k. I guess we'll see soon.
- orwin 3y ago
  I'm not sure the current cybertruck can pass the EU safety laws :/
willcipriano 3y ago
> Do you live during the zombie apocalypse If they are Philadelphia pedestrians, they are the zombie apocalypse.
theultdev 3y ago
what's unsafe about it compared to others?
- titaniumtown 3y ago
  The sharp angles, high ride height, "nearly impenetrable exoskeleton", and "Ultra-Hard 30X Cold-Rolled stainless steel structural skin". Cars are meant to crumple and protect those inside and outside the vehicle, not plow through them.
  - theultdev 3y ago
    do you have a safety test reference where cybertruck falls short or is this speculation?
    - titaniumtown 3y ago
      It's common sense. Hardened stainless steel and pedestrians don't mix. The car has to be proven to be safe, not the other way around. There hasn't been any tests yet.
      - Retric 3y ago
        Hardened stainless steel tell you almost nothing without knowing the thickness and the geometry. At this point it’s slightly more than marketing puffery.
      - chrisco255 3y ago
        It's not common sense. Virtually all car and truck frames are made of steel. But honestly, the metal doesn't matter. Whether a pedestrian is hit by 3000 pounds of aluminum at 45 miles per hour or 3000 pounds of steel at 45 miles per hour, there is going to be a high chance of fatality. "An IIHS study found that vehicles equipped with automatic braking that detects pedestrians had a 27 percent lower rate of pedestrian crashes than vehicles without such technology." Teslas typically have the most advanced crash avoidance systems on the market. Virtually all Teslas have 5 star safety ratings in crashes, both in Europe and U.S. [1] [1] https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-s-receives-5-star-euro-ncap-safety-rating https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-s-receives-5-star-euro-ncap...

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

The Cybertruck will be the ultimate "fuck you" status symbol after everyone got bored of the vanilla Teslas as every tech bro and their mom have one now and in the wealthy EU cities they're used as taxis, making them uncool for those who want to be seen as "avantgarde" while still retaining the vulgarity of the pick-up truck. Elon was a marketing genius here.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Everyone buys different luxury goods. If they want cybertrucks, and it offsets combustion miles, so be it. Telling the consumer they don’t want something doesn’t work; give them what they want. Anything that destroys petroleum demand is welcome, even if impractical. Not my money. (the US is responsible for ~35% of global gasoline consumption [1] [2] [3]) [1] https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/gasoline-superusers-only-10-of-us-drivers-burn-almost-a-third-of-the-gas/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/gasoline-superusers-only-... [2] https://coltura.org/gasoline-superusers-2-report/ https://coltura.org/gasoline-superusers-2-report/ [3] https://ibb.co/Vq928g5 https://ibb.co/Vq928g5
- uoaei 3y ago
  Many people don't buy luxury goods, even those with money. Luxuries are pointless by definition, so clearly having money is not a valuable metric for knowing what's good or not.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    People who don’t have purchasing power don’t move the needle. Inconvenient truth. They get dragged along by other factors. Tesla built out their >$1B global supercharger network and manufacturing base on luxury vehicle sales (S, X), for example (until they could spin up 3, Y, and utility scale storage manufacturing). And their profit margin is still higher than legacy auto. TLDR Sell to people with money and who aren’t price sensitive, pour that cashflow into spinning up a flywheel. Fighting reality will lead to disappointment, ignore feelings and operate according to the data. Go where the money is. Buyers with only opinions are not worth chasing.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      >People who don’t have purchasing power don’t move the needle. Inconvenient truth. Yes they do. You'll never complete the EV transition by only selling 50k+ Euro EVs. Eventually you'll run out of people with disposable income to buy your pricy EVs and those are the minority of consumers, not the majority. China leads the world in EV sales precisely because they didn't start at the top selling premium EVs first, but started instead from the bottom by selling cheap EVS to the mases.
chrisco255 3y ago
I mean, the Cybertruck starts at $39K, so it's right in line with other trucks available on the market in the U.S. They haven't really chosen a luxury price point. They clearly intend to mass market this thing. Pick-up trucks aren't vulgar, they're simply practical and useful.
- zlsa 3y ago
  It has been a while since they've talked about that price, and I would not expect it to be anywhere near that price point today, given <gestures at everything>.
  - chrisco255 3y ago
    They might jack it up by $10K or so but that still puts it in line with other passenger trucks. An F150 dual cab Lariat starts at $57K. Dual cab Tacomas with four wheel drive run at least $38K, but if you want leather seats and a nicer trim like Teslas come with, that typically runs $48K or more.
    - hamburglar 3y ago
      There is no chance a cybertruck is going to start at a mere $10k over original base price. My prediction is that it’ll “start at” $70k for the one-motor version, but that won’t be available for over a year. The 2 and 3 motor builds will be prioritized and they will cost $90k+
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >There is no chance a cybertruck is going to start at a mere $10k over original base price. My opinion as well. There's no way Tesla can deliver everything, or at least most of what they promised about the Cybertruck at that price point, considering the manufacturing challenges of that thing.
- heleninboodler 3y ago
  In 2019, the target starting price was ~$40k. Given inflation and other factors that have wildly increased prices, as well as it more and more sounding like a "halo" vehicle, as well as the supply being a tiny fraction of demand, I'd be surprised if the starting price wasn't literally double that $40k. I guess we'll see soon.
orwin 3y ago
I'm not sure the current cybertruck can pass the EU safety laws :/

willcipriano 3y ago

> Do you live during the zombie apocalypse If they are Philadelphia pedestrians, they are the zombie apocalypse.

theultdev 3y ago

what's unsafe about it compared to others?

titaniumtown 3y ago
The sharp angles, high ride height, "nearly impenetrable exoskeleton", and "Ultra-Hard 30X Cold-Rolled stainless steel structural skin". Cars are meant to crumple and protect those inside and outside the vehicle, not plow through them.
- theultdev 3y ago
  do you have a safety test reference where cybertruck falls short or is this speculation?
  - titaniumtown 3y ago
    It's common sense. Hardened stainless steel and pedestrians don't mix. The car has to be proven to be safe, not the other way around. There hasn't been any tests yet.
    - Retric 3y ago
      Hardened stainless steel tell you almost nothing without knowing the thickness and the geometry. At this point it’s slightly more than marketing puffery.
    - chrisco255 3y ago
      It's not common sense. Virtually all car and truck frames are made of steel. But honestly, the metal doesn't matter. Whether a pedestrian is hit by 3000 pounds of aluminum at 45 miles per hour or 3000 pounds of steel at 45 miles per hour, there is going to be a high chance of fatality. "An IIHS study found that vehicles equipped with automatic braking that detects pedestrians had a 27 percent lower rate of pedestrian crashes than vehicles without such technology." Teslas typically have the most advanced crash avoidance systems on the market. Virtually all Teslas have 5 star safety ratings in crashes, both in Europe and U.S. [1] [1] https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-s-receives-5-star-euro-ncap-safety-rating https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-s-receives-5-star-euro-ncap...