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Interesting article, though the point could have been carried across just as well without all this motherflippin' swearing.
by pluies_public 14y ago
Interesting article, though the point could have been carried across just as well without all this motherflippin' swearing.
- jff 14y agoAs I say to everyone who complains about swearing: Go fuck yourself.
- pluies_public 14y agoI'm no spring chicken, mind you, I wasn't offended by the swearing - it was just mildly annoying and distracting from the (pretty well thought-out) message. :)
- clivestaples 14y agoI'm sure you're very tough and edgy but that doesn't change the fact that incessant swearing is childish and annoying. It also makes choice words too common, further reducing their punch.
- txus 14y agoBut swearing is a personal signature. (Anyway sorry if I offended anyone.)
- toast76 14y agoHaving swearing as a personal signature is like having a tattoo. It doesn't make you any "cooler", and everyone does it so it's not much of a signature. It's not that it's offensive, it just says you are unable to convey the strength of your argument without the vulgarities. You lose critical (logical) thinkers when you resort to crass language; primarily because it says your argument relies on emotion, not logic.
- txus 14y agoJust like a tattoo, it shouldn't distract critical thinkers when judging the contents and the point of my argument.
- nupark2 14y agoIn a discipline such as computer science, appeals to emotion are inherently untrustworthy and distracting. A reader shouldn't have to shift through pandering rhetoric to find the kernel of a supportable argument.
- txus 14y agoMy article has nothing to do with computer science, but with a human community built around a technology.
- nupark2 14y agoWell, he is a part of the Ruby community, and they do often seem to often favor emotional arguments conveyed through harsh language.
- petercooper 14y agoWhat a crass, and inaccurate, generalization.
- nupark2 14y agoNow, I'm not equipped to perform a statistically valid sampling of all conference talks, but pervasive anecdotal evidence lends credence to this notion. Specifically, this comes to mind: http://lifehacker.com/5859392/swearing-to-make-your-point-a-tale-of-fk-and-sht http://lifehacker.com/5859392/swearing-to-make-your-point-a-... As well as this: http://www.zedshaw.com.sharedcopy.com/rants/51489cec9386f7c13f69b3a58cd50b02.html http://www.zedshaw.com.sharedcopy.com/rants/51489cec9386f7c1... And this: http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/posts/15-potty-mouths http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/posts/15-potty-mouths There are more, but I don't think I need to internet-sleuth the entire set of well-known Ruby / Web personalities to demonstrate the point: a base lack of professionalism abounds.
- petercooper 14y agoEven thirty more examples would not neccessarily mean Rubyists are "often" like this. There are tens of thousands of them. If ruby-talk, #ruby-lang, ruby-core, and Ruby conference talks were typically littered with swearing, there'd be a point. As it is, it's a generalisation formed off the back of a handful of cases. Stereotyping, if you will. I've been covering the news in the Ruby world for about 6 years now, almost full time. People are inventing these silly stereotypes as a way to discredit the language and it's users, it's not based in reality.
- edwinnathaniel 14y ago... Yet there are a few people who agreed and think the same way as he is...
- jinfiesto 14y agoAlso, there were enough spelling and grammatical errors to be distracting. The author should proofread before publishing.
- txus 14y agoI corrected a couple of those upon indication from readers. I hope there aren't any more :)
- Spakman 14y agoTo everyone who is offended (or even just somehow unhappy/less convinced) by swearing, I strongly suggest not living in Scotland. Here, "fuck"/"fucking" is often a filler word and "cunt" can be a friendly way to start a sentence or refer to your friends. I don't get offended by any words or sayings, only by their intent.