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tldr; the springs in a mattress may be amplifying EM, people sleep on the right side so the left side gets double-exposure, causing a 10% higher incidence of ca

tldr; the springs in a mattress may be amplifying EM, people sleep on the right side so the left side gets double-exposure, causing a 10% higher incidence of cancer on the left side. Sounds like too many combined inference leaps to me.

poultron 3y ago
Dont worry, that guest blog post actually read the research results completely wrong and its the opposite. The coils were supposedly attentuating the radiation waves, which is why your right side has a lower incidence. Furthermore, any scientist will tell you a non-powered set of unenergized coils cannot amplify anything. Amplification requires power. Bedsprings are not powered. Snopes has a solid write up on how badly that author fucked it up. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/coil-mattresses-cause-cancer-amplifying-radio-waves/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/coil-mattresses-cause-canc...
- jodrellblank 3y ago
  > "Furthermore, any scientist will tell you a non-powered set of unenergized coils cannot amplify anything. Amplification requires power. Bedsprings are not powered." You might wonder how a magnifying glass can ignite paper, why a satellite dish on the side of a house is a dish, how a solar cooker works, why a radio telescope works, or how a roof can turn trickles of rain water into a powerful stream coming out of a drain, all of them unpowered, all of them not needing powered amplifying to have an effect.
  - alexdbird 3y ago
    You’re confusing concentration with amplification, and you’re not explaining how you think bed springs could cause concentration despite having no similarity in form or action to your examples.
    - jodrellblank 3y ago
      I'm not confusing them. The statement "any scientist will tell you a non-powered set of unenergized coils cannot amplify anything. Amplification requires power. Bedsprings are not powered." suggests that the only way there could be measured increase in radio wave strength at a point is if there is a powered amplifier, and so the lack of powered amplification proves there is no possible effect, case closed. This is a weak argument because it doesn't address concentration. I am not claiming that an effect does occur, I am saying that argument is not sufficient to show an effect cannot occur. > "despite having no similarity in form" When you get into bed, your weight curves the bed springs with you at the centre of a dish-shape. Is that not a similarity in form? If you want to go down that route, this image of bed pressure points[1] shows the most weight and curvature around the hips and thighs, areas the article claims are most affected by melanoma, and less curvature around the legs, neck, head. I am not making the claim that this is connected or significant, I am wondering how you can think that bedsprings don't curve around a person? [1] https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/fd/bb/1ffdbbfebfd1f54804b95f31428d1ae2.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/fd/bb/1ffdbbfebfd1f54804b9...
nottorp 3y ago
That is, if you even have a TV in your bedroom?

poultron 3y ago

Dont worry, that guest blog post actually read the research results completely wrong and its the opposite. The coils were supposedly attentuating the radiation waves, which is why your right side has a lower incidence. Furthermore, any scientist will tell you a non-powered set of unenergized coils cannot amplify anything. Amplification requires power. Bedsprings are not powered. Snopes has a solid write up on how badly that author fucked it up. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/coil-mattresses-cause-cancer-amplifying-radio-waves/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/coil-mattresses-cause-canc...

jodrellblank 3y ago
> "Furthermore, any scientist will tell you a non-powered set of unenergized coils cannot amplify anything. Amplification requires power. Bedsprings are not powered." You might wonder how a magnifying glass can ignite paper, why a satellite dish on the side of a house is a dish, how a solar cooker works, why a radio telescope works, or how a roof can turn trickles of rain water into a powerful stream coming out of a drain, all of them unpowered, all of them not needing powered amplifying to have an effect.
- alexdbird 3y ago
  You’re confusing concentration with amplification, and you’re not explaining how you think bed springs could cause concentration despite having no similarity in form or action to your examples.
  - jodrellblank 3y ago
    I'm not confusing them. The statement "any scientist will tell you a non-powered set of unenergized coils cannot amplify anything. Amplification requires power. Bedsprings are not powered." suggests that the only way there could be measured increase in radio wave strength at a point is if there is a powered amplifier, and so the lack of powered amplification proves there is no possible effect, case closed. This is a weak argument because it doesn't address concentration. I am not claiming that an effect does occur, I am saying that argument is not sufficient to show an effect cannot occur. > "despite having no similarity in form" When you get into bed, your weight curves the bed springs with you at the centre of a dish-shape. Is that not a similarity in form? If you want to go down that route, this image of bed pressure points[1] shows the most weight and curvature around the hips and thighs, areas the article claims are most affected by melanoma, and less curvature around the legs, neck, head. I am not making the claim that this is connected or significant, I am wondering how you can think that bedsprings don't curve around a person? [1] https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/fd/bb/1ffdbbfebfd1f54804b95f31428d1ae2.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/fd/bb/1ffdbbfebfd1f54804b9...

nottorp 3y ago

That is, if you even have a TV in your bedroom?