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Really surprised the HN crowd isn't more into ENS, but then again they see the word blockchain and their bias makes them turn off any ability to think rationall

Really surprised the HN crowd isn't more into ENS, but then again they see the word blockchain and their bias makes them turn off any ability to think rationally

LoganDark 3y ago
The bias is justified. I use crypto sometimes as a way to send money without linking it to my real identity, but that's all I use it for. I have no interest in how it's implemented, only that I have total privacy (at least with Monero).
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  More people should use monero!
- mjan22640 3y ago
  How does that total privacy work?
  - richardwhiuk 3y ago
    It doesn't.
  - immibis 3y ago
    Advanced cryptography. OTOH: * Each transaction is signed by a "ring signature", where it's known that 1 of a set of 8 keys signed the transaction, but not which one. This is your actual input plus 7 other random inputs drawn from the same probability distribution as actual inputs. * Double-spending is prevented by a "key image" which is something mathematically related to your actual key (not sure how that's verified without knowing which key it is). Each key image can only be used once, or it's a double-spend. * Input amounts and output amounts have to balance using some kind of zero-knowledge proof.
  - LoganDark 3y ago
    When you make a transaction on the Monero network, only the actual sender and recipient know the sender, recipient, or value of the transaction. This makes tumblers unnecessary and removes that whole ethical burden. If your Monero is ethically sourced (i.e. you mined it or bought it with your own money) then you can safely spend it without being subject to any tracking.
wmf 3y ago
It seems like a good idea in theory but even if Chrome/Firefox/Safari decided to adopt it we'd probably have to wait 20 years before it "just works".
- hanniabu 3y ago
  You can add .limo and it'll resolve
realusername 3y ago
That's fair because there's very few legitimate use cases for a blockchain. Domain names are perfect for this purpose though, it's decentralized, secure and there's no way to claim the domain of somebody else.
- pbhjpbhj 3y ago
  >there's no way to claim the domain of somebody else. That's a problem, surely, as it means all domain names become owned in perpetuity. That's good if you don't want governments to be able to have control, but it doesn't fit with current systems like Trademarks, but also just if there was an error or con that caused a domain to be transferred that you want to reverse. Also, over time domains become lost; which is sub-optimal in a limited namespace.
  - realusername 3y ago
    It's my personal opinion but there's been way to much overeach from governments, registrars and various bad middlewares to make me think that resolving without interference is the #1 problem with DNS, not trademarks. The current DNS is a bit like having HTTP everywhere, we need to upgrade to a more secure scheme.
    - tsimionescu 3y ago
      ENS doesn't solve that problem though. Middlewares can still intercept requests, unless you download the whole blockchain locally. DoH or DoT solve the problem of snooping or changing DNS requests, or alternatively DNSSEC solves the problem of changing as well. The part that blockchain addresses would actually get generally worse: typosquatting is already a problem, but at least most registrars are working to limit it - some more proactively than others. ENS removes any ability to prevent typosquatting at all. I have never heard anyone complain that registrars or governments are being TOO proactive in delisting typosquatters or those using domains they don't own the trademark for.
    - immibis 3y ago
      If you flip that over, then trademarks will become the #1 problem, not resolving without interference. It will be just as bad, but different. Maybe you're thinking of trademarks as some bureaucratic intellectual property nonsense but they are practically important as well. I could own ycombinator.com in that system. What would you do about it besides changing the name of Y Combinator?
vore 3y ago
Maybe make a real argument instead of attacking your own strawman?

Really surprised the HN crowd isn't more into ENS, but then again they see the word blockchain and their bias makes them turn off any ability to think rationally

LoganDark 3y ago

The bias is justified. I use crypto sometimes as a way to send money without linking it to my real identity, but that's all I use it for. I have no interest in how it's implemented, only that I have total privacy (at least with Monero).

matheusmoreira 3y ago
More people should use monero!
mjan22640 3y ago
How does that total privacy work?
- richardwhiuk 3y ago
  It doesn't.
- immibis 3y ago
  Advanced cryptography. OTOH: * Each transaction is signed by a "ring signature", where it's known that 1 of a set of 8 keys signed the transaction, but not which one. This is your actual input plus 7 other random inputs drawn from the same probability distribution as actual inputs. * Double-spending is prevented by a "key image" which is something mathematically related to your actual key (not sure how that's verified without knowing which key it is). Each key image can only be used once, or it's a double-spend. * Input amounts and output amounts have to balance using some kind of zero-knowledge proof.
- LoganDark 3y ago
  When you make a transaction on the Monero network, only the actual sender and recipient know the sender, recipient, or value of the transaction. This makes tumblers unnecessary and removes that whole ethical burden. If your Monero is ethically sourced (i.e. you mined it or bought it with your own money) then you can safely spend it without being subject to any tracking.

wmf 3y ago

It seems like a good idea in theory but even if Chrome/Firefox/Safari decided to adopt it we'd probably have to wait 20 years before it "just works".

hanniabu 3y ago
You can add .limo and it'll resolve

realusername 3y ago

That's fair because there's very few legitimate use cases for a blockchain. Domain names are perfect for this purpose though, it's decentralized, secure and there's no way to claim the domain of somebody else.

pbhjpbhj 3y ago
>there's no way to claim the domain of somebody else. That's a problem, surely, as it means all domain names become owned in perpetuity. That's good if you don't want governments to be able to have control, but it doesn't fit with current systems like Trademarks, but also just if there was an error or con that caused a domain to be transferred that you want to reverse. Also, over time domains become lost; which is sub-optimal in a limited namespace.
- realusername 3y ago
  It's my personal opinion but there's been way to much overeach from governments, registrars and various bad middlewares to make me think that resolving without interference is the #1 problem with DNS, not trademarks. The current DNS is a bit like having HTTP everywhere, we need to upgrade to a more secure scheme.
  - tsimionescu 3y ago
    ENS doesn't solve that problem though. Middlewares can still intercept requests, unless you download the whole blockchain locally. DoH or DoT solve the problem of snooping or changing DNS requests, or alternatively DNSSEC solves the problem of changing as well. The part that blockchain addresses would actually get generally worse: typosquatting is already a problem, but at least most registrars are working to limit it - some more proactively than others. ENS removes any ability to prevent typosquatting at all. I have never heard anyone complain that registrars or governments are being TOO proactive in delisting typosquatters or those using domains they don't own the trademark for.
  - immibis 3y ago
    If you flip that over, then trademarks will become the #1 problem, not resolving without interference. It will be just as bad, but different. Maybe you're thinking of trademarks as some bureaucratic intellectual property nonsense but they are practically important as well. I could own ycombinator.com in that system. What would you do about it besides changing the name of Y Combinator?

vore 3y ago

Maybe make a real argument instead of attacking your own strawman?