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>> Today, Wayland has been recognized as the de-facto windowing and display infrastructure solution. > Is... optimistic. Is it? Wayland is largely developed b

by MBCook 3y ago

>> Today, Wayland has been recognized as the de-facto windowing and display infrastructure solution. > Is... optimistic. Is it? Wayland is largely developed by the old X developers. They’re the ones who say Wayland is the future and there is nothing else. Xorg hasn’t been under real active development for a very long time. The people in the best place to decide decided. They’ve been fixing the remaining issues. There is no path forward for Xorg. It won’t get better. Only Wayland has a future.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
> There is no path forward for Xorg. It won’t get better. Only Wayland has a future. Well nobody tell the folks shipping new features[0]; I'd hate for them to realize. That said, as an active user, I don't really need X to get better, I just need it to keep working until either Wayland actually catches up, or everyone moves on to the next thing and that manages feature parity. [0] https://www.phoronix.com/news/Modesetting-TearFree-Merged https://www.phoronix.com/news/Modesetting-TearFree-Merged , https://www.phoronix.com/news/X.Org-Server-21.1 https://www.phoronix.com/news/X.Org-Server-21.1
arp242 3y ago
> Wayland is largely developed by the old X developers. They’re the ones who say Wayland That doesn't mean it's any good. Or that they're right. "The people in the best place to decide decided" is a hugely fallacious argument. You can say that about any controversial change to anything and dismiss any argument out of hand with that.
- MBCook 3y ago
  I’m going to assume they know better than random people do. Simply because they have the experience. But thats not all I was really trying to get. Also: that there are no major Xorg developers left. All the ones that knew that weird massive codebase moved over to Wayland. If a whole bunch of developers wanted to pick up Xorg and fix its issues and move it forward (no one has yet) they have a very very deep hole to dig himself out of it just understanding how everything that’s there works and how fragile it is.

by MBCook 3y ago

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago

> There is no path forward for Xorg. It won’t get better. Only Wayland has a future. Well nobody tell the folks shipping new features[0]; I'd hate for them to realize. That said, as an active user, I don't really need X to get better, I just need it to keep working until either Wayland actually catches up, or everyone moves on to the next thing and that manages feature parity. [0] https://www.phoronix.com/news/Modesetting-TearFree-Merged https://www.phoronix.com/news/Modesetting-TearFree-Merged , https://www.phoronix.com/news/X.Org-Server-21.1 https://www.phoronix.com/news/X.Org-Server-21.1

arp242 3y ago

> Wayland is largely developed by the old X developers. They’re the ones who say Wayland That doesn't mean it's any good. Or that they're right. "The people in the best place to decide decided" is a hugely fallacious argument. You can say that about any controversial change to anything and dismiss any argument out of hand with that.

MBCook 3y ago
I’m going to assume they know better than random people do. Simply because they have the experience. But thats not all I was really trying to get. Also: that there are no major Xorg developers left. All the ones that knew that weird massive codebase moved over to Wayland. If a whole bunch of developers wanted to pick up Xorg and fix its issues and move it forward (no one has yet) they have a very very deep hole to dig himself out of it just understanding how everything that’s there works and how fragile it is.