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I've been using it for a while as my main browser and it suffers from all of the usual issues that early development stage browsers have: bugs, memory leaks. Th

by mm263 3y ago

I've been using it for a while as my main browser and it suffers from all of the usual issues that early development stage browsers have: bugs, memory leaks. The bugs are nasty as well, I'm sometimes forced to switch back to Firefox: one example is once there was a build that crashed my browser when I opened a new tab in tree view. The extension support is in progress as well. UBlock Origin and BitWarden work, but YNAB Toolkit doesn't work too well. Overall if you are okay with alpha/beta testing a browser it's fine, but if not, stick with Firefox.

ochronus 3y ago
I had the same experience. Even if uBlock Origin kind of works, somehow it doesn't block the same number of ads as it does with other browsers, I wonder why. Same uBlock Origin version, same filters enabled, fewer ads blocked on Orion. I used this site for example to test: https://d3ward.github.io/toolz/adblock.html https://d3ward.github.io/toolz/adblock.html - scores 65% on orion and 99% on other browsers
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  I'm getting 99% on Orion with their content blockers and uBlock Origin (default lists only).
  - jostyee 3y ago
    The official documentation doesn't recommend this: https://help.kagi.com/orion/browser-extensions/ublock-origin.html https://help.kagi.com/orion/browser-extensions/ublock-origin... > For power users who want that last 10% with uBlock, we recommend disabling Orion's content blocker globally. Running both Orion blocking and uBlock may cause interference with each other.
- Squarex 3y ago
  I get 100% with orion, ublock origin and nextdns combo. It's the only browser along with Firefox where I am able to get 100%.
- Beijinger 3y ago
  99% of what? of ads not served? You are mixing ads and tracking and in the end, you can be tracked because you are still unique: With my heavily, via plug-ins, privacy focused firefox I get 99%. With https://www.amiunique.org/fingerprint https://www.amiunique.org/fingerprint I get: Yes! You are unique among the 2206539 fingerprints in our entire dataset. PS: with my vanilla Chrome - I use several browsers, for banking and buying plane tickets I always recommend a vanilla one - I get 47% with many things blocked. Is this thing working correclty? I just checked my hosts file and it is vanilla too. I used to have a large hosts file but this is just inconvenient since it breaks sites. I don't understand why so many things may be blocked in my chrome browser. PPS: I wanted to give it a try in https://browsershots.org/ https://browsershots.org/ Is this site defunct? Whata pity.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    > in the end, you can be tracked because you are still unique Unique isn't a bad thing really. The trick is to regularly be unique in a different way. I'd rather each tab have a unique fingerprint than simply trust that there's nothing about my browser/device that could identify me. There is an ever growing list of data points your browser makes available and a lot of time, money, and research that goes into finding fingerprinting techniques. I agree it's good to have a locked down browser for most things and other browsers for websites that you can't get working with everything blocked. Brave is worth a try before you hand your browsing history over directly to Google with chrome or to MS with edge.
    - lolc 3y ago
      > Unique isn't a bad thing really. The trick is to regularly be unique in a different way. This perspective is new to me, and very interesting. If it's intractable to know which parts of the finger could change, the fingerprinting becomes useless.
  - ochronus 3y ago
    99% as a score of this reproducible ad blocker test. You can see the individual tests on the site. I'm not saying it's a gold standard or anything, just a tool I happen to use. And you're right, passive tracking is a b.tch :)
keyle 3y ago
I use it as my daily driver every day and I have very few issues with it. That said I'm a pretty frugal user, I get anxiety if I have more than 15 tabs open, and I shut down every night. Some websites downright don't work with it, but then you try Safari and it's either the ad blocker or Webkit, rarely Orion itself. I'm in the camp that likes Webkit rendering the best. I think it's the most appealing font and content rendering out there, even though it feels understaffed/underfunded. I prefer Webkit overall.
pleb_nz 3y ago
Does if have a mobile version or can you sync with a mobile browser of another vendor? If not then it's not for me at this stage
- idle_zealot 3y ago
  It does have a mobile version for iOS, which is notable on its own because is supports (some) Chrome and Firefox extensions on mobile. It suffers similar beta-y bugs as the desktop version though. Personally I find it worth it to have uBO on my iPhone.
- g_p 3y ago
  Yes, there's a mobile app for iOS (on the app store), and iCloud based sync between desktop and mobile.
- d1sxeyes 3y ago
  Using it now.
jd3 3y ago
Orion has actually triggered two kernel panics for me in the past week. It's easy on battery life though, so I've been using it still when I'm on the go.
- freediver 3y ago
  What is a kernel panic?
  - eddythompson80 3y ago
    It’s when the kernel (or drivers) run into a bug. Also known as blue screen of death on the windows side.
    - freediver 3y ago
      I never seen that on a Mac though.
      - jeffhuys 3y ago
        Ok. Well, it does happen. Happened a lot more in the past vs now.
      - al_borland 3y ago
        They are more rare one current versions of macOS. I’ve been using Mac’s for about 20 years and got them a lot a lot in the early days.
        gbear605 3y ago
        They used to happen all the time with Mac OS 9 and earlier, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen them with OSX/macOS.
        KMag 3y ago
        I definitely had a corrupted CD-R backup that would kernel panic OS X, Windows 2000, and Linux, circa 2003. Though, most of my OS X kernel panics were due to a GPU slowly going bad and randomly corrupting memory (both under OS X and Linux, when in a particular graphics mode). QNX is the only OS that I've pushed hard and never seen a kernel panic. BeOS was nice in that my (userspace) ethernet driver would crash overnight most nights, and I'd wake up to a prompt saying "I'm going to restart the crashed driver? Okay?", but I could reliably kernel panic BeOS with some dodgy semaphore code in userspace.

by mm263 3y ago

ochronus 3y ago

I had the same experience. Even if uBlock Origin kind of works, somehow it doesn't block the same number of ads as it does with other browsers, I wonder why. Same uBlock Origin version, same filters enabled, fewer ads blocked on Orion. I used this site for example to test: https://d3ward.github.io/toolz/adblock.html https://d3ward.github.io/toolz/adblock.html - scores 65% on orion and 99% on other browsers

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
I'm getting 99% on Orion with their content blockers and uBlock Origin (default lists only).
- jostyee 3y ago
  The official documentation doesn't recommend this: https://help.kagi.com/orion/browser-extensions/ublock-origin.html https://help.kagi.com/orion/browser-extensions/ublock-origin... > For power users who want that last 10% with uBlock, we recommend disabling Orion's content blocker globally. Running both Orion blocking and uBlock may cause interference with each other.
Squarex 3y ago
I get 100% with orion, ublock origin and nextdns combo. It's the only browser along with Firefox where I am able to get 100%.
Beijinger 3y ago
99% of what? of ads not served? You are mixing ads and tracking and in the end, you can be tracked because you are still unique: With my heavily, via plug-ins, privacy focused firefox I get 99%. With https://www.amiunique.org/fingerprint https://www.amiunique.org/fingerprint I get: Yes! You are unique among the 2206539 fingerprints in our entire dataset. PS: with my vanilla Chrome - I use several browsers, for banking and buying plane tickets I always recommend a vanilla one - I get 47% with many things blocked. Is this thing working correclty? I just checked my hosts file and it is vanilla too. I used to have a large hosts file but this is just inconvenient since it breaks sites. I don't understand why so many things may be blocked in my chrome browser. PPS: I wanted to give it a try in https://browsershots.org/ https://browsershots.org/ Is this site defunct? Whata pity.
- autoexec 3y ago
  > in the end, you can be tracked because you are still unique Unique isn't a bad thing really. The trick is to regularly be unique in a different way. I'd rather each tab have a unique fingerprint than simply trust that there's nothing about my browser/device that could identify me. There is an ever growing list of data points your browser makes available and a lot of time, money, and research that goes into finding fingerprinting techniques. I agree it's good to have a locked down browser for most things and other browsers for websites that you can't get working with everything blocked. Brave is worth a try before you hand your browsing history over directly to Google with chrome or to MS with edge.
  - lolc 3y ago
    > Unique isn't a bad thing really. The trick is to regularly be unique in a different way. This perspective is new to me, and very interesting. If it's intractable to know which parts of the finger could change, the fingerprinting becomes useless.
- ochronus 3y ago
  99% as a score of this reproducible ad blocker test. You can see the individual tests on the site. I'm not saying it's a gold standard or anything, just a tool I happen to use. And you're right, passive tracking is a b.tch :)

keyle 3y ago

I use it as my daily driver every day and I have very few issues with it. That said I'm a pretty frugal user, I get anxiety if I have more than 15 tabs open, and I shut down every night. Some websites downright don't work with it, but then you try Safari and it's either the ad blocker or Webkit, rarely Orion itself. I'm in the camp that likes Webkit rendering the best. I think it's the most appealing font and content rendering out there, even though it feels understaffed/underfunded. I prefer Webkit overall.

pleb_nz 3y ago

Does if have a mobile version or can you sync with a mobile browser of another vendor? If not then it's not for me at this stage

idle_zealot 3y ago
It does have a mobile version for iOS, which is notable on its own because is supports (some) Chrome and Firefox extensions on mobile. It suffers similar beta-y bugs as the desktop version though. Personally I find it worth it to have uBO on my iPhone.
g_p 3y ago
Yes, there's a mobile app for iOS (on the app store), and iCloud based sync between desktop and mobile.
d1sxeyes 3y ago
Using it now.

jd3 3y ago

Orion has actually triggered two kernel panics for me in the past week. It's easy on battery life though, so I've been using it still when I'm on the go.

freediver 3y ago
What is a kernel panic?
- eddythompson80 3y ago
  It’s when the kernel (or drivers) run into a bug. Also known as blue screen of death on the windows side.
  - freediver 3y ago
    I never seen that on a Mac though.
    - jeffhuys 3y ago
      Ok. Well, it does happen. Happened a lot more in the past vs now.
    - al_borland 3y ago
      They are more rare one current versions of macOS. I’ve been using Mac’s for about 20 years and got them a lot a lot in the early days.
      - gbear605 3y ago
        They used to happen all the time with Mac OS 9 and earlier, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen them with OSX/macOS.
        KMag 3y ago
        I definitely had a corrupted CD-R backup that would kernel panic OS X, Windows 2000, and Linux, circa 2003. Though, most of my OS X kernel panics were due to a GPU slowly going bad and randomly corrupting memory (both under OS X and Linux, when in a particular graphics mode). QNX is the only OS that I've pushed hard and never seen a kernel panic. BeOS was nice in that my (userspace) ethernet driver would crash overnight most nights, and I'd wake up to a prompt saying "I'm going to restart the crashed driver? Okay?", but I could reliably kernel panic BeOS with some dodgy semaphore code in userspace.