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> freedom of speech is the most upheld As long as you don't want to talk about decolonization (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435 https://

> freedom of speech is the most upheld As long as you don't want to talk about decolonization (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435) or people being cis-gender (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1671370284102819841 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1671370284102819841) or whatever else Elon doesn't like this week. For the record, neither or these things are what he claims they are.

ThalesX 3y ago
That's like... his opinion man. Try posting your own, see if you get banned like the Twitter of old.
- wtfwhateven 3y ago
  If someone tweets "I hate trans people" nothing happens, if someone tweets "I hate cis people" the tweet gets immediately hidden and flagged for hateful content I saw dozens replicating it last week and I was able to replicate it myself
  - ThalesX 3y ago
    #doubt Later edit: can confirm, I tried it and I got `Visibility limited: this Post may violate X’s rules against Hateful Conduct.` This is rather disappointing and it might influence my stance on continuing to pay for Premium.
    - wtfwhateven 3y ago
      try it yourself, I just replicated it even got an email saying my tweets visibility was limited for the cis tweet but not the trans one
- Volundr 3y ago
  The owner of Twitter literally said I'll get suspended. What more do you need?
  - ThalesX 3y ago
    > Clear calls for extreme violence are against our terms of service and will result in suspension. I don't disagree with this stance... I need some substantial proof that posting your opinion without calling for extreme violence is going to get your suspended.
    - Volundr 3y ago
      I like how you quoted that part, but not the part where he clearly stated that the term decolonization necessary implies genocide. To my knowledge genocide pretty much requires "extreme violence". For the record, no, decolonization [1] does not mean Jewish genocide, that's his own fever dream, but he's clearly stated that X's position is it does. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization
      - tptacek 3y ago
        It in fact does not require extreme violence. For instance: the Indian Boarding School programs of the early 20th century didn't involve extreme violence (ostensibly, they didn't involve any more coercive force than any other mandatory schooling program; of course, in reality, that wasn't at all true) and didn't have as an organizing goal the death of students/inmates. At the same time, the program was clearly genocidal, and would have fit the UN convention: it was a systemic program undertaken with a goal of destroying an ethnic group, using one of the explicit actions (e) of Article II of the charter. At the same time: I don't think it's that straightforward to dismiss concerns about "decolonization", especially not with a simple link to Wikipedia. That decolonization could represent programs known to their authors as means of eradicating Jewish people (and, in particular, the plurality Mizrahim population of Israel) is not a fever dream. That doesn't make it true, but it's not a facially invalid concern. That advocates of "decolonization" widely responded to the October 7th Hamas Al Aqsa Flood attacks with "decolonization is not a metaphor" does your "fever dream" arguments no favors; those attacks were overtly, expressly genocidal.
        Volundr 3y ago
stainablesteel 3y ago
one is a call for genocide, undeniably. the cis thing is whatever, it should be allowed and it is. but if you use it to harass someone, same as if you used other slurs, it would be taken as harassment. this isn't insane for an online platform.
- Volundr 3y ago
  I deny that decolonization is a call for genocide. So does Webster's and Wikipedia.
  - stainablesteel 3y ago
    so what does it mean then? jews have to leave israel? and go where? if only there was a country for them.
    - Volundr 3y ago
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decolonization https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decolonization It may surprise you to know, there is more to the world than one particular conflict. Edit: to be clear I take no issue with banning calls for violence and genocide, including instances where they are attempting to be obscured by careful use of language. I take issue with claiming that the word, which has been used for decades, in a wide variety of contexts, suddenly inherently means genocide.
      - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
        In practice, though, this turns into a motte-and-bailey, whether or not that is your intent. When someone today talks about "decolonization", what are the odds that they're talking about Palestine? What are the odds that they're talking about the Belgian Congo? This is especially true if it shows up on Twitter rather than in an obscure journal about the 20th century history of Africa. So (many) people are using "decolonization" to mean the destruction of Israel. And then (some, and maybe not the same) people are saying "you can't say decolonization means genocide, because there's all this history of Africa and India and the Caribbean and so on - it doesn't necessarily mean that." OK, fine, but these days, on Twitter, what percentage of it does mean wiping out Israel? 95%? 99%? So, yes, as a matter of definition, you have a point. In practice, Twitter has a point.
gordian-mind 3y ago
I've seen cis used in a dehumanizing way, as a slur. He's clearly right about this. Don't call out people's unchangeable identities by terms they don't want you to.

ThalesX 3y ago

That's like... his opinion man. Try posting your own, see if you get banned like the Twitter of old.

wtfwhateven 3y ago
If someone tweets "I hate trans people" nothing happens, if someone tweets "I hate cis people" the tweet gets immediately hidden and flagged for hateful content I saw dozens replicating it last week and I was able to replicate it myself
- ThalesX 3y ago
  #doubt Later edit: can confirm, I tried it and I got `Visibility limited: this Post may violate X’s rules against Hateful Conduct.` This is rather disappointing and it might influence my stance on continuing to pay for Premium.
  - wtfwhateven 3y ago
    try it yourself, I just replicated it even got an email saying my tweets visibility was limited for the cis tweet but not the trans one
Volundr 3y ago
The owner of Twitter literally said I'll get suspended. What more do you need?
- ThalesX 3y ago
  > Clear calls for extreme violence are against our terms of service and will result in suspension. I don't disagree with this stance... I need some substantial proof that posting your opinion without calling for extreme violence is going to get your suspended.
  - Volundr 3y ago
    I like how you quoted that part, but not the part where he clearly stated that the term decolonization necessary implies genocide. To my knowledge genocide pretty much requires "extreme violence". For the record, no, decolonization [1] does not mean Jewish genocide, that's his own fever dream, but he's clearly stated that X's position is it does. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization
    - tptacek 3y ago
      It in fact does not require extreme violence. For instance: the Indian Boarding School programs of the early 20th century didn't involve extreme violence (ostensibly, they didn't involve any more coercive force than any other mandatory schooling program; of course, in reality, that wasn't at all true) and didn't have as an organizing goal the death of students/inmates. At the same time, the program was clearly genocidal, and would have fit the UN convention: it was a systemic program undertaken with a goal of destroying an ethnic group, using one of the explicit actions (e) of Article II of the charter. At the same time: I don't think it's that straightforward to dismiss concerns about "decolonization", especially not with a simple link to Wikipedia. That decolonization could represent programs known to their authors as means of eradicating Jewish people (and, in particular, the plurality Mizrahim population of Israel) is not a fever dream. That doesn't make it true, but it's not a facially invalid concern. That advocates of "decolonization" widely responded to the October 7th Hamas Al Aqsa Flood attacks with "decolonization is not a metaphor" does your "fever dream" arguments no favors; those attacks were overtly, expressly genocidal.
      - Volundr 3y ago

stainablesteel 3y ago

one is a call for genocide, undeniably. the cis thing is whatever, it should be allowed and it is. but if you use it to harass someone, same as if you used other slurs, it would be taken as harassment. this isn't insane for an online platform.

Volundr 3y ago
I deny that decolonization is a call for genocide. So does Webster's and Wikipedia.
- stainablesteel 3y ago
  so what does it mean then? jews have to leave israel? and go where? if only there was a country for them.
  - Volundr 3y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decolonization https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decolonization It may surprise you to know, there is more to the world than one particular conflict. Edit: to be clear I take no issue with banning calls for violence and genocide, including instances where they are attempting to be obscured by careful use of language. I take issue with claiming that the word, which has been used for decades, in a wide variety of contexts, suddenly inherently means genocide.
    - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
      In practice, though, this turns into a motte-and-bailey, whether or not that is your intent. When someone today talks about "decolonization", what are the odds that they're talking about Palestine? What are the odds that they're talking about the Belgian Congo? This is especially true if it shows up on Twitter rather than in an obscure journal about the 20th century history of Africa. So (many) people are using "decolonization" to mean the destruction of Israel. And then (some, and maybe not the same) people are saying "you can't say decolonization means genocide, because there's all this history of Africa and India and the Caribbean and so on - it doesn't necessarily mean that." OK, fine, but these days, on Twitter, what percentage of it does mean wiping out Israel? 95%? 99%? So, yes, as a matter of definition, you have a point. In practice, Twitter has a point.

gordian-mind 3y ago

I've seen cis used in a dehumanizing way, as a slur. He's clearly right about this. Don't call out people's unchangeable identities by terms they don't want you to.