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Can you go into more detail? He pays for peoples legal funds who have issues with free speech on twitter no matter if he agrees or not.

josteink 3y ago
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- bdangubic 3y ago
  ban nazis from your platform - boom, problem solved :)
- valar_m 3y ago
  What's your source for these claims? Can you link to it, please?
  - josteink 3y ago
    I’m too lazy to search for Elon’s original tweets about this. But it was reported in media quite recently about him going “thermonuclear”. Here’s one article about it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/11/18/elon-musk-threatens-thermonuclear-lawsuit-against-group-reporting-antisemitic-x-posts-appearing-near-ads/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/11/18/elon-musk...
    - valar_m 3y ago
      Nothing in that article backs up anything you've claimed. Seems safe to conclude that you don't have any actual sources, and that you're making up the facts you've been asserting ITT. Feel free to make me look stupid by responding with links to sources that verify your claims ITT.
threeseed 3y ago
Twitter is complying with more government demands under Elon Musk. [1] Before Musk, Twitter's full compliance rate hovered around 50%; since the takeover, it is over 80%. These countries include China [2] and India [3]. [1] https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-orders https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or... [2] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitter-elon-musk-china-dissidents-1234643726/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitte... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accused-of-censorship-in-india-as-it-blocks-modi-critics-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accuse...
- nomel 3y ago
  The twitter files showed that, previously, some of the compliance was side channel, which makes the previous compliance rate suspect. edit: is this not accepted fact, at this point?
  - smelly101 3y ago
    This is a good point. They were literally doing the NSA's/CIA/FBI??? bidding at one point.
- simondotau 3y ago
  Musk has explicitly and repeatedly said that his standard for free speech is that which complies with the law in any given country. The logic is that domestic laws represent the will of their citizens and it shouldn't be a corporation's (or a billionaire's) responsibility to second guess this. Quote — "By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law. I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law. If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect. Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people." [0] Quote — "Like I said, my preference is to hew close to the laws of countries in which Twitter operates. If the citizens want something banned, then pass a law to do so, otherwise it should be allowed." [1] Personally I think this the only sane stance for a corporation like Twitter/X. We shouldn't be looking to capitalist non-democratic corporations as an end-run around governments — especially democratic governments. [0] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376?lang=en https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376?lang... [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1523654106745020418?lang=en https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1523654106745020418?lang...
  - lolbase 3y ago
    > Musk has explicitly and repeatedly said that his standard for free speech is that which complies with the law in any given country. Yet he has repeatedly demonstrated that this is not, in fact, his standard for free speech. It’s bizarre to pretend that it is.
wtfwhateven 3y ago
>He pays for peoples legal funds who have issues with free speech on twitter no matter if he agrees or not. No he does not.

josteink 3y ago

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bdangubic 3y ago
ban nazis from your platform - boom, problem solved :)
valar_m 3y ago
What's your source for these claims? Can you link to it, please?
- josteink 3y ago
  I’m too lazy to search for Elon’s original tweets about this. But it was reported in media quite recently about him going “thermonuclear”. Here’s one article about it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/11/18/elon-musk-threatens-thermonuclear-lawsuit-against-group-reporting-antisemitic-x-posts-appearing-near-ads/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/11/18/elon-musk...
  - valar_m 3y ago
    Nothing in that article backs up anything you've claimed. Seems safe to conclude that you don't have any actual sources, and that you're making up the facts you've been asserting ITT. Feel free to make me look stupid by responding with links to sources that verify your claims ITT.

threeseed 3y ago

Twitter is complying with more government demands under Elon Musk. [1] Before Musk, Twitter's full compliance rate hovered around 50%; since the takeover, it is over 80%. These countries include China [2] and India [3]. [1] https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-orders https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or... [2] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitter-elon-musk-china-dissidents-1234643726/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitte... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accused-of-censorship-in-india-as-it-blocks-modi-critics-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accuse...

nomel 3y ago
The twitter files showed that, previously, some of the compliance was side channel, which makes the previous compliance rate suspect. edit: is this not accepted fact, at this point?
- smelly101 3y ago
  This is a good point. They were literally doing the NSA's/CIA/FBI??? bidding at one point.
simondotau 3y ago
Musk has explicitly and repeatedly said that his standard for free speech is that which complies with the law in any given country. The logic is that domestic laws represent the will of their citizens and it shouldn't be a corporation's (or a billionaire's) responsibility to second guess this. Quote — "By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law. I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law. If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect. Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people." [0] Quote — "Like I said, my preference is to hew close to the laws of countries in which Twitter operates. If the citizens want something banned, then pass a law to do so, otherwise it should be allowed." [1] Personally I think this the only sane stance for a corporation like Twitter/X. We shouldn't be looking to capitalist non-democratic corporations as an end-run around governments — especially democratic governments. [0] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376?lang=en https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376?lang... [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1523654106745020418?lang=en https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1523654106745020418?lang...
- lolbase 3y ago
  > Musk has explicitly and repeatedly said that his standard for free speech is that which complies with the law in any given country. Yet he has repeatedly demonstrated that this is not, in fact, his standard for free speech. It’s bizarre to pretend that it is.

wtfwhateven 3y ago

>He pays for peoples legal funds who have issues with free speech on twitter no matter if he agrees or not. No he does not.