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X is the best social media platform out there at this point. What are the alternatives? Meta's Facebook, Instagram? TikTok? It's just bollocks. X is where a lot
by ThalesX 3y ago
X is the best social media platform out there at this point. What are the alternatives? Meta's Facebook, Instagram? TikTok? It's just bollocks. X is where a lot of interesting people post, and where freedom of speech is the most upheld. Community notes is also a super interesting aspect. It's not X's fault someone follows nazis or whatever and don't know where the mute / block buttons are.
- wnevets 3y ago> and where freedom of speech is the most upheld. Elon is literally suing for speech he doesn't like.
- rpmisms 3y agoThat's compatible with freedom of speech. He's not censoring it, but he can show damages from misleading speech.
- wnevets 3y ago> That's compatible with freedom of speech. He's not censoring it I would rather have my account "censored" then being forced to spends tens of thousands of dollars on lawyers.
- jwlake 3y agolol unless you're in the business of publishing I'm unclear how this applies to you.
- rpmisms 3y agoWell, you don't have to deal with either, since you don't have the ear of the elites and can't cause damages by talking shit.
- wnevets 3y agoYou think media matters has the ear of the elites and not the multi billionaire with direct ties to the US Government? That is an interesting take.
- rpmisms 3y ago[flagged]
- wnevets 3y ago> Uh, yes. Elon does not follow the program Doesn't follow which program? I can't believe this has to be said but billionaires are the elite.
- valar_m 3y agoI can answer what they meant with "does not follow the program." The person you replied to is an overt racist who promotes anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Jewish people.[0] The line "does not follow the program" is an anti-Semitic dog whistle. You should feel really good about yourself that you completely missed the hidden meaning and thought they were referring to billionaires. Background on dog whistles if you're unfamiliar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38441058 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38441058
- valar_m 3y ago[flagged]
- systemstops 3y agoYour veiled threat answers that question.
- valar_m 3y ago
- josteink 3y agoIn this case it was specifically intentionally misleading (something they have logs to prove), and weaponized against the business of X itself. Clearly different from some random internet person saying something controversial or unpopular.
- davidw 3y agoPeople have replicated the results. Which isn't surprising, given how much trash content that place has these days. Also: does anyone think those big accounts just up and left after one shoestring organization published something? They most likely replicated the results themselves.
- theultdev 3y agoYes you can replicate it by following very controversial accounts and business accounts and scrolling a lot until you find an ad and a controversial statement beside each other, as the logs show they did. It doesn't represent an actual experience though, it's deliberate and misleading since that curation was left out of the report.
- davidw 3y agoGiant companies like Apple don't just do something like that on a complete whim based on a report from a relatively tiny organization. Probably also has something to do with the kinds of ugly stuff the owner of Twitter has been boosting lately.
- theultdev 3y agoDon't they? Well they all did at once after the relatively tiny report. Well anyway, let's all continue speculating...
- davidw 3y agoIt turns out large companies don't like to see their brand near hateful things and they were probably able to verify that internally. Apple has quite a few more resources than Media Matters.
- valar_m 3y agoNo, using the power of the legal system to silence speech you don't like is pretty much the polar opposite of being compatible with free speech.
- minerva23 3y agoLast Week Tonight did a deep dive on how the courts are used to censor people. https://youtu.be/UN8bJb8biZU https://youtu.be/UN8bJb8biZU
- smelly101 3y agoCan you go into more detail? He pays for peoples legal funds who have issues with free speech on twitter no matter if he agrees or not.
- josteink 3y ago[flagged]
- bdangubic 3y agoban nazis from your platform - boom, problem solved :)
- valar_m 3y agoWhat's your source for these claims? Can you link to it, please?
- josteink 3y agoI’m too lazy to search for Elon’s original tweets about this. But it was reported in media quite recently about him going “thermonuclear”. Here’s one article about it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/11/18/elon-musk-threatens-thermonuclear-lawsuit-against-group-reporting-antisemitic-x-posts-appearing-near-ads/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/11/18/elon-musk...
- valar_m 3y agoNothing in that article backs up anything you've claimed. Seems safe to conclude that you don't have any actual sources, and that you're making up the facts you've been asserting ITT. Feel free to make me look stupid by responding with links to sources that verify your claims ITT.
- threeseed 3y agoTwitter is complying with more government demands under Elon Musk. [1] Before Musk, Twitter's full compliance rate hovered around 50%; since the takeover, it is over 80%. These countries include China [2] and India [3]. [1] https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-orders https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or... [2] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitter-elon-musk-china-dissidents-1234643726/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitte... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accused-of-censorship-in-india-as-it-blocks-modi-critics-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accuse...
- anigbrowl 3y agowhere freedom of speech is the most upheld Nonsense, if your tweet includes swear words of any kind (regardless of whether the sentiment expressed is positive or negative) it will be quietly hidden and your placement score will go down. Edit: Pointing this out seems to have upset some folk.
- emodendroket 3y agoI don't agree. It's really hard to tailor your feed to be stuff you want to read and not garbage you have no interest in.
- nomel 3y agoI started using X just recently. My feed is entirely related to the people I follow and topics I'm interested in. I had a bit of garbage after I joined, but "show less like this" solved it very quickly. The only "garbage" is ads, but they're topical and annoyingly effective at catching my attention. The people I follow have a very high signal to noise ratio, so maybe that helps. What do you see?
- emodendroket 3y agoEverything from incessant discussion of tempests in a teacup to spam, generic financial influencer garbage, political content I find distasteful... hard to sort the wheat from the chaff and they've only become more aggressive about showing you people you don't follow.
- nomel 3y agoThat's definitely not my experience, and I wonder if it's because I joined late, after some alg change. The only semi "aggressive" things were posts about war. I clicked "not interested" a few times and haven't seen any since. I actually have zero political content on my feed, beyond AI law stuffs going on in the EU, which I'm interested in. I usually end up following the people I see in my feed, that I'm not following. For the others, I just click "not interested". It's easily been the most on-point social media experience I've had.
- AussieWog93 3y ago>What are the alternatives? Gouging your eyes out with a screwdriver? Sticking your dick into a blender? Both are probably less harmful long term than using X.
- ThalesX 3y agoI disagree. I have a pretty cool set of accounts I follow on X that give me a lot more value than gouging my eyes out with a screwdriver and / or sticking my dick into a blender.
- OrvalWintermute 3y agoI was skeptical about much of the "Big Brother" censorship claims about Facebook until Facebook started censoring certain URLs in my facebook private messages with friends when we were talking about the Ukraine war That just strikes me as downright weird.
- ThalesX 3y agoMy parents, and their generation, are getting so much shit shoved down their throats with the Facebook algorithms that I can't in good conscience consider it a better place than X.
- Minor49er 3y agoThe dumpster behind Domino's has some pepperoni slices in it. The other dumpsters pale in comparison with their offerings
- ThalesX 3y agoUltimately, we choose what we consume. Do I want a dumpster with pepperoni or not? I'm taking the pepperoni one. I don't get the moral highground of people without alternatives.
- Minor49er 3y agoMy point is: why are you choosing to consume from a dumpster at all?
- ThalesX 3y ago> My point is: why are you choosing to consume from a dumpster at all? My choices are as follows: Meta vs. X, I choose X Reddit vs. Hackernews, I choose Hackernews I couldn't say why I choose either, I guess it's a thirst for content and ultimately, there's a visceral choice that I make that results in X / Hackernews as opposed to Meta / Reddit.
- Minor49er 3y agoThere are many more options out there than these few. But if you are enjoying your choices, then more power to you for using them
- Volundr 3y ago> freedom of speech is the most upheld As long as you don't want to talk about decolonization (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435) or people being cis-gender (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1671370284102819841 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1671370284102819841) or whatever else Elon doesn't like this week. For the record, neither or these things are what he claims they are.
- ThalesX 3y agoThat's like... his opinion man. Try posting your own, see if you get banned like the Twitter of old.
- wtfwhateven 3y agoIf someone tweets "I hate trans people" nothing happens, if someone tweets "I hate cis people" the tweet gets immediately hidden and flagged for hateful content I saw dozens replicating it last week and I was able to replicate it myself
- ThalesX 3y ago#doubt Later edit: can confirm, I tried it and I got `Visibility limited: this Post may violate X’s rules against Hateful Conduct.` This is rather disappointing and it might influence my stance on continuing to pay for Premium.
- wtfwhateven 3y agotry it yourself, I just replicated it even got an email saying my tweets visibility was limited for the cis tweet but not the trans one
- Volundr 3y agoThe owner of Twitter literally said I'll get suspended. What more do you need?
- nurettin 3y agoA sewer is the best way to flood crap. "Shitposting" is a term popularized within this medium of exchange. People have been conditioned and encouraged to share their momentary disposable thoughts on the platform in an impulsive manner for over a decade. As a result: outrage, controversy, demagoguery and subsequent deleting of such impulsive and unfiltered crap is very common. A lot of it is also unintelligible drivel that is presented with no context. And common opinion is that this is basically the best planet earth has to offer. In a way this is embarrassing and that mayor would have my permanent vote had I lived in France.
- ThalesX 3y ago> As a result: outrage, controversy, demagoguery and subsequent deleting of such impulsive and unfiltered crap is very common. 100% depends on who you follow. It says more about the follower than the platform to be honest.
- lolbase 3y ago> where freedom of speech is the most upheld. This is only true if one defines freedom of speech extremely narrowly; specifically if you want to use racial slurs, or if you want to attack lgbtq folks. Material criticism of Elon or his endeavors routinely results in bans. This has resulted in him banning numerous high profile journalists. Elon banned individuals who posted Elon's locations, after Grimes used that info to serve him a custody lawsuit that he'd been dodging. He even banned journalists who talked about the bans, or who asked about ban policy. He bans with abandon. Joke accounts? banned. promoting other social networks? banned. Advocating for lgbt gun ownership? banned. Paul Graham (the co-founder of YC)? banned. And when he isn't busy banning, he is using the courts to suppress speech he doesn't like, and creating implicit threats to others who might say something even moderately critical of him or his empire of government subsidized wealth.
- stainablesteel 3y agoeven if this is true, whatever you know what isn't banned now? having centrist, or even right wing opinions you can also see the violence and terrorism that the mainstream media refuses to report on there's a lot of political voices that are being allowed to speak finally, whereas before they've been stifled due to political persecution coupled with insane deplatforming. X as a free speech platform is doing a great job at showing how widespread political gaslighting has become.
- lolbase 3y agoCan you please name some right wing opinions that used to be banned, and is no longer banned? Be specific.
- stainablesteel 3y agoright wing or oppositional, you decide that covid came out of a chinese lab, or showing that the lockdowns didn't work as was shown by Jay Bhattacharya early on accounts that were censored, shadowbanned, and massively decreased in exposure. just look up the twitter files. since being owned by elon there's also been a rush of psychometricians into twitter, people who want to share and talk about their scientific data, which was banned before. you couldn't talk about IQ. there were also people banned for challenging immigration narratives or gender ideology. this was prevalent and obvious. lauren southern was constantly accused of shooting a gun at an immigrant ngo ship that was actually just a flare - incapable of hitting or hurting anyone. all of this was blatant and widespread on more than just twitter, did you not notice?
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- hn1986 3y agoGood riddance to X. There's a reason why people and companies are leaving a place and an owner that amplifies neo-Nazi expression and conspiracy theories like QAnon.
- ThalesX 3y agoI haven't seen a single neo-Nazi / QAnon expression since using Twitter. And I doubt Musk send a missive to amplify these things.
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- Freedom2 3y ago> What are the alternatives? It's not hard to think of other alternatives...? KakaoTalk, LINE, WeChat / 小红书? These are all used where tons of interesting people post, and freedom of speech isn't really upheld on X (formerly Twitter) anyway.
- ThalesX 3y agoKakaoTalk seems like a messaging service; LINE seems like a messaging service; WeChat seems like a messaging service. Could you link me to 2 - 3 interesting accounts on these platforms so that I can browse their thoughts?