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> A lot of people think it's because they're woke. It's not even that - they're just bad movies. Every time I hear this claim "It's not that it's 'woke', it's

> A lot of people think it's because they're woke. It's not even that - they're just bad movies. Every time I hear this claim "It's not that it's 'woke', it's that it's a bad movie" I ask myself: "what does 'woke' mean, then?" I don't consider myself to be a conservative. I lean left on a lot of issues, especially social issues. I love Star Trek and a lot of left-leaning art. Yet I can't stand "woke" movies and tv series. Why is that? In my opinion, part of being a "woke" movie IS being a bad movie. It's not that it has a message or a point of view. There is tons of great art out there has a left-leaning message. To me, "woke" suggests that any combination of character, plot, theme, development or production design was neglected in favour of tokenization (or "pandering" as South Park put it). The implication being that the movie was supposed to do well because, allegedly, "modern audiences" are seeking titles with heavy handed messages and tokenization because that's what they are looking for, versus well thought-out writing and production. A "woke" movie is one where bad reviews can and are blamed on various *ists.

Dylan16807 3y ago
What are some "woke" movies and shows, by your definition? The accusations I see are almost always aimed at either the basic and valid choices of theme, or complaining about some character's demographic when it doesn't come at the cost of anything else. And for the latter, often complaining about over-representation when that is not in fact happening.
mason55 3y ago
> Every time I hear this claim "It's not that it's 'woke', it's that it's a bad movie" I ask myself: "what does 'woke' mean, then?" I think the idea here is that "woke" is a loaded and controversial term. Even people who agree that "woke" movies are, by definition bad, can disagree on what exactly "woke" means. But for these movies we can skip that whole argument because even if you forget about the wokeness argument, the movies are still bad. Even if all woke movies are bad, you can have bad movies that aren't woke, or are both woke + bad for other reasons. By removing the wokeness argument it makes it easier to form a consensus that the movies are still bad.

Dylan16807 3y ago

What are some "woke" movies and shows, by your definition? The accusations I see are almost always aimed at either the basic and valid choices of theme, or complaining about some character's demographic when it doesn't come at the cost of anything else. And for the latter, often complaining about over-representation when that is not in fact happening.

mason55 3y ago

> Every time I hear this claim "It's not that it's 'woke', it's that it's a bad movie" I ask myself: "what does 'woke' mean, then?" I think the idea here is that "woke" is a loaded and controversial term. Even people who agree that "woke" movies are, by definition bad, can disagree on what exactly "woke" means. But for these movies we can skip that whole argument because even if you forget about the wokeness argument, the movies are still bad. Even if all woke movies are bad, you can have bad movies that aren't woke, or are both woke + bad for other reasons. By removing the wokeness argument it makes it easier to form a consensus that the movies are still bad.