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At least according to the UN human rights, this is effectively a human rights violation. > While blocking and filtering measures deny users access to specific

At least according to the UN human rights, this is effectively a human rights violation. > While blocking and filtering measures deny users access to specific content on the Internet, States have also taken measures to cut off access to the Internet entirely. The Special Rapporteur considers cutting off users from Internet access, regardless of the justification provided, including on the grounds of violating intellectual property rights law, to be disproportionate and thus a violation of article 19, paragraph 3, of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. [1] [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Internet_access#:~:text=The%20right%20to%20Internet%20access,a%20responsibility%20to%20ensure%20that https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Internet_access#:~:... They have no business justification etc for blocking starlink. I know Elon can't/won't go against it, and I know the UN is effectively a dog without teeth, but I'm surprised more human rights activists (and people who support the open internet) aren't angrier.

ergocoder 3y ago
> I know the UN is effectively a dog without teeth UN exists as the forum for discussing in order to prevent WW3. That's why countries with the ability to destroy the world have veto power. People just make it out to be more than it actually is. As an example, UN's human right council composition (e.g. Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and etc.) is a huge joke.
- cma 3y ago
  It seems you did a small selection: > The Council's Membership is based on equitable geographical distribution. Seats are distributed as follows: > African States: 13 seats > Asia-Pacific States: 13 seats > Latin American and Caribbean States: 8 seats > Western European and other States: 7 seats > Eastern European States: 6 seats > [...] > Human Rights Council membership around the world > > By 31 December 2022, 123 UN member states will have served as Human Rights Council Members, reflecting the UN’s diversity and giving the Council legitimacy when speaking out on human rights violations in all countries: > > - African states: Algeria, Angola, Benin, Botswana,Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cameroon, Congo, Côte d’Ivoire, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, The Gambia, Ghana, Kenya, Libya, Madagascar, Malawi, Mali, Mauritania, Mauritius, Morocco, Namibia, Nigeria, Rwanda, Senegal, Sierra Leone, South Africa, Somalia, Sudan, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Zambia. > > - Asia-Pacific States: Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, China, Fiji, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Malaysia, Maldives, Marshall Islands, Mongolia, Nepal, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka, Thailand, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Viet Nam. > > - Latin America & Caribbean States: Argentina, Bahamas, Bolivia (Plurinational State of), Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, Cuba, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay, Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of). > > - Western European & others States: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, United States of America. > > - Eastern European States: Albania, Armenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Czechia, Croatia, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Montenegro, Poland, Republic of Moldova, Republic of North Macedonia, Romania, Russian Federation, Slovakia, Slovenia, Ukraine. https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/membership https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/membership
rasz 3y ago
>UN is effectively a dog without teeth its much worse. "UNRWA Educators Are Linked To Antisemitism And Support For Terrorism" https://www.blackburn.senate.gov/2023/11/icymi-un-watch-fact-check-unrwa-educators-are-linked-to-antisemitism-and-support-for-terrorism https://www.blackburn.senate.gov/2023/11/icymi-un-watch-fact... UN Teachers Call To Murder Jews https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-new-report/ https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-...
myth_drannon 3y ago
Holding babies hostage and torturing them is a human rights violation. It's beyond shocking that there is even a discussion about using the internet in Gaza. Using cellphones to post your atrocities on TikTok, eh? Israel should bring it back to the Stone Age at least until the war is over.
doubt_me 3y ago
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mytailorisrich 3y ago
Starlink is not a human right. In any case, what you quoted is not international law.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 3y ago
  Starlink facilitates internet access. Thus by blocking their operation they violating Palestinian human rights and engaging in collective punishment an aggravated violation of human rights.
  - mytailorisrich 3y ago
    The way I interpret the current situation since October 7th: Israel is disrupting enemy communications capabilities during warfare triggered by an invasion of its territory and murder of civilians. Seems perfectly within the accepted laws of war to me. Now, specifically re. Starlink: They do not even offer service in Gaza (or Israel?) at the moment so I don't see how asking them not to start without specific approval could be deemed anything other than business as usual.
    - cherry_tree 3y ago
      > Seems perfectly within the accepted laws of war to me I don’t think you know the laws of war at all if you think the actions of Israel before or after October 7th fall within them. Just a very small example: > To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the Occupying Power has the duty of ensuring and maintaining, with the cooperation of national and local authorities, the medical and hospital establishments and services, public health and hygiene in the occupied territory, with particular reference to the adoption and application of the prophylactic and preventive measures necessary to combat the spread of contagious diseases and epidemics. Medical personnel of all categories shall be allowed to carry out their duties. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/03/middleeast/casualties-gazas-shifa-hospital-idf/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/03/middleeast/casualties-gazas-s... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/23/israels-army-arrests-gaza-hospital-director-and-bombs-300-targets-amid-truce-delay https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/23/israels-army-a...
no-dr-onboard 3y ago
> this is effectively a human rights violation. Sounds like just their opinion, man. All of this "internet as a right" is honestly just arbitrary opining. Laws have violations, opinions don't. One has teeth, the other doesn't and can be ignored. Hell, even ignore my opinion on this matter :)
AzzyHN 3y ago
I don't believe it is, since there are other potential providers. But also, since when has Israel cared about violating human rights in occupied territories?
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ergocoder 3y ago

> I know the UN is effectively a dog without teeth UN exists as the forum for discussing in order to prevent WW3. That's why countries with the ability to destroy the world have veto power. People just make it out to be more than it actually is. As an example, UN's human right council composition (e.g. Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and etc.) is a huge joke.

cma 3y ago
It seems you did a small selection: > The Council's Membership is based on equitable geographical distribution. Seats are distributed as follows: > African States: 13 seats > Asia-Pacific States: 13 seats > Latin American and Caribbean States: 8 seats > Western European and other States: 7 seats > Eastern European States: 6 seats > [...] > Human Rights Council membership around the world > > By 31 December 2022, 123 UN member states will have served as Human Rights Council Members, reflecting the UN’s diversity and giving the Council legitimacy when speaking out on human rights violations in all countries: > > - African states: Algeria, Angola, Benin, Botswana,Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cameroon, Congo, Côte d’Ivoire, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, The Gambia, Ghana, Kenya, Libya, Madagascar, Malawi, Mali, Mauritania, Mauritius, Morocco, Namibia, Nigeria, Rwanda, Senegal, Sierra Leone, South Africa, Somalia, Sudan, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Zambia. > > - Asia-Pacific States: Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, China, Fiji, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Malaysia, Maldives, Marshall Islands, Mongolia, Nepal, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka, Thailand, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Viet Nam. > > - Latin America & Caribbean States: Argentina, Bahamas, Bolivia (Plurinational State of), Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, Cuba, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay, Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of). > > - Western European & others States: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, United States of America. > > - Eastern European States: Albania, Armenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Czechia, Croatia, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Montenegro, Poland, Republic of Moldova, Republic of North Macedonia, Romania, Russian Federation, Slovakia, Slovenia, Ukraine. https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/membership https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/membership

rasz 3y ago

>UN is effectively a dog without teeth its much worse. "UNRWA Educators Are Linked To Antisemitism And Support For Terrorism" https://www.blackburn.senate.gov/2023/11/icymi-un-watch-fact-check-unrwa-educators-are-linked-to-antisemitism-and-support-for-terrorism https://www.blackburn.senate.gov/2023/11/icymi-un-watch-fact... UN Teachers Call To Murder Jews https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-new-report/ https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-...

myth_drannon 3y ago

Holding babies hostage and torturing them is a human rights violation. It's beyond shocking that there is even a discussion about using the internet in Gaza. Using cellphones to post your atrocities on TikTok, eh? Israel should bring it back to the Stone Age at least until the war is over.

doubt_me 3y ago

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mytailorisrich 3y ago

Starlink is not a human right. In any case, what you quoted is not international law.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 3y ago
Starlink facilitates internet access. Thus by blocking their operation they violating Palestinian human rights and engaging in collective punishment an aggravated violation of human rights.
- mytailorisrich 3y ago
  The way I interpret the current situation since October 7th: Israel is disrupting enemy communications capabilities during warfare triggered by an invasion of its territory and murder of civilians. Seems perfectly within the accepted laws of war to me. Now, specifically re. Starlink: They do not even offer service in Gaza (or Israel?) at the moment so I don't see how asking them not to start without specific approval could be deemed anything other than business as usual.
  - cherry_tree 3y ago
    > Seems perfectly within the accepted laws of war to me I don’t think you know the laws of war at all if you think the actions of Israel before or after October 7th fall within them. Just a very small example: > To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the Occupying Power has the duty of ensuring and maintaining, with the cooperation of national and local authorities, the medical and hospital establishments and services, public health and hygiene in the occupied territory, with particular reference to the adoption and application of the prophylactic and preventive measures necessary to combat the spread of contagious diseases and epidemics. Medical personnel of all categories shall be allowed to carry out their duties. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/03/middleeast/casualties-gazas-shifa-hospital-idf/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/03/middleeast/casualties-gazas-s... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/23/israels-army-arrests-gaza-hospital-director-and-bombs-300-targets-amid-truce-delay https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/23/israels-army-a...

no-dr-onboard 3y ago

> this is effectively a human rights violation. Sounds like just their opinion, man. All of this "internet as a right" is honestly just arbitrary opining. Laws have violations, opinions don't. One has teeth, the other doesn't and can be ignored. Hell, even ignore my opinion on this matter :)

AzzyHN 3y ago

I don't believe it is, since there are other potential providers. But also, since when has Israel cared about violating human rights in occupied territories?

nailer 3y ago

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