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They have convincing arguments, if needed be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 In any case, Musk/SpaceX are not goin

They have convincing arguments, if needed be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 In any case, Musk/SpaceX are not going to go against Israel, and in this case ultimately against the US government. Note that if Starlink knowingly allowed the service to be used by Hamas (which is defacto the Gazawi government so any terminal in Gaza would be at risk) that would be a serious offence under US law. Obviously he's going to play ball.

cma 3y ago
> Note that if Starlink knowingly allowed the service to be used by Hamas (which is defacto the Gazawi government so any terminal in Gaza would be at risk) that would be a serious offence under US law. I don't know if it applies to corporations providing services, but all foreign aid to Israel is illegal in the US, since they are nuclear armed and not party to the non-proliferation treaty. We have a policy of not acknowledging that they are nuclear armed to avoid this.
- jakeinspace 3y ago
  This is 100% true
aaron695 3y ago
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 You can't seriously be suggesting any country would shoot down satellites? That would be far worse than cutting undersea data cables, which they also would never do. And it would be obvious who did it and break a lot more treaties. You might as well suggest they'd send a missile to Elon's house.
- Pigalowda 3y ago
  I don’t think that’s how Mossad would apply pressure.
  - niemandhier 3y ago
    Probably not, but Musk has successfully build the reputation of an entity with quite random behaviour. Any normal person can be put under pressure given that what you threaten them with is more harmful than anything for retaliation they can dream up. A sufficient erratic person might retaliate despite suffering themselves. If you have little to gain by your threat and more to loose by the counter attack you can be repelled. That’s how American badgers win confrontations with grizzly bears. Let’s assume you go to Musk with a file containing some dirt on him, and tell him :” Switch if your satellites over Tuvalu or the world knows”. Is it so hard to believe the reaction to be a tweet saying: “Was approach by the Antarctican secret service and told to switch of satellites over Tuvalu, will provide internet over Tuvalu for free!” My guess is that they either buy him, or the US tells him to do what they want lest he loses government contracts. All in all this is just a prove that each block needs its own starlink clone, the sky will get crowded.
avmich 3y ago
> They have convincing arguments, if needed be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 I wonder if they can reach the height of the Starlink's satellites orbit? How many satellites they need to destroy for Starlink - which adds new batches ~weekly and where a loss of a satellite is a standard situation - for that to be important for the system? Theoretically, of course. I'm pretty sure SpaceX would cooperate with Israel, with mutual benefits.

cma 3y ago

> Note that if Starlink knowingly allowed the service to be used by Hamas (which is defacto the Gazawi government so any terminal in Gaza would be at risk) that would be a serious offence under US law. I don't know if it applies to corporations providing services, but all foreign aid to Israel is illegal in the US, since they are nuclear armed and not party to the non-proliferation treaty. We have a policy of not acknowledging that they are nuclear armed to avoid this.

jakeinspace 3y ago
This is 100% true

aaron695 3y ago

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 You can't seriously be suggesting any country would shoot down satellites? That would be far worse than cutting undersea data cables, which they also would never do. And it would be obvious who did it and break a lot more treaties. You might as well suggest they'd send a missile to Elon's house.

Pigalowda 3y ago
I don’t think that’s how Mossad would apply pressure.
- niemandhier 3y ago
  Probably not, but Musk has successfully build the reputation of an entity with quite random behaviour. Any normal person can be put under pressure given that what you threaten them with is more harmful than anything for retaliation they can dream up. A sufficient erratic person might retaliate despite suffering themselves. If you have little to gain by your threat and more to loose by the counter attack you can be repelled. That’s how American badgers win confrontations with grizzly bears. Let’s assume you go to Musk with a file containing some dirt on him, and tell him :” Switch if your satellites over Tuvalu or the world knows”. Is it so hard to believe the reaction to be a tweet saying: “Was approach by the Antarctican secret service and told to switch of satellites over Tuvalu, will provide internet over Tuvalu for free!” My guess is that they either buy him, or the US tells him to do what they want lest he loses government contracts. All in all this is just a prove that each block needs its own starlink clone, the sky will get crowded.

avmich 3y ago

> They have convincing arguments, if needed be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 I wonder if they can reach the height of the Starlink's satellites orbit? How many satellites they need to destroy for Starlink - which adds new batches ~weekly and where a loss of a satellite is a standard situation - for that to be important for the system? Theoretically, of course. I'm pretty sure SpaceX would cooperate with Israel, with mutual benefits.