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Or here is a revolutionary idea: get the fuck off public roads with your beta poorly tested tech and come back wheb it's truly self driving and you accept full
by x86x87 3y ago
Or here is a revolutionary idea: get the fuck off public roads with your beta poorly tested tech and come back wheb it's truly self driving and you accept full liability for whatever it does.
- RecycledEle 3y agoOne issue: To get a "good enough" self driving system, it needs millions of miles of testing on public roads.
- ethanbond 3y agoWaymo seems to be progressing much faster and at much lower risk to the public. Tesla's approach specifically is just hubris/greed with the commons footing the bill.
- x86x87 3y agoIt's almost like they actually are thinking about safety.
- x86x87 3y agoSo? Either accept liability and/or be way more conservative when making decisions or you don't belong on the PUBLIC roads. They are literally gambling with people's lives.
- atoav 3y agoSeems like you are pointing out one obvious challenge to any company that wants to develope such technology. Maybe it is my european upbringing, but this is not my problem, but the problem of said company. I don't see why they should be allowed to test on public streets.
- enslavedrobot 3y agoYou should care because it will save the average western family ~$5k/year and reduce the 1.5million fatal accidents and >10million serious injuries that result from car crashes worldwide. Just the insurance savings alone could give up to $800 billion back to rate payers in the US.
- freejazz 3y ago>You should care because it will save the average western family ~$5k/year and reduce the 1.5million fatal accidents and >10million serious injuries that result from car crashes worldwide. When? What's the social cost to affording these companies public spaces to test their products?
- enslavedrobot 3y agoDrivers are testing the product. I use FSD all the time. It's my choice. If think that's making you unsafe too bad for you. I think it's vastly more unsafe to share the road with a million half blind geriatrics but nobody suing the AARP.
- freejazz 3y ago> I think it's vastly more unsafe to share the road with a million half blind geriatrics but nobody suing the AARP You seem to be either incredibly confused, or just making a bad-faith analogy.
- x86x87 3y agoYou are sharing the road. So if your car does something stupid that gets me killed you cannot claim that "hey bro, i'm just testing it". Also, I am not sure that you are qualified to test a car and not sure that legally you are allowed to test things on public roads.
- enslavedrobot 3y agoI accept all liability and my insurance is happy to accept my payments. If I don't pay attention and kill you it's my fault. Just like if I drink and drive.
- JohnFen 3y agoIf that's actually true and there's not another way, then tough. They shouldn't be on the roads.
- bdcravens 3y agoTesla could buy land, develop it with roads, and build a fleet for testing. They can get to multiple 9's of reliability before the need for public testing, over the course of a few years and tens of thousands of testing hours. Obviously, that would have a worse effect on the bottom line versus charging customers $10-15k for the "privilege" of being beta testers.
- tstrimple 3y agoOr they could test it like Waymo is. I don’t ever see complaints about them on HN and it’s my understanding (but to lazy to verify right now) that they have one of the strongest track records on safety. Then again it shouldn’t take much to beat the safety of releasing it while lying about its capabilities and turning it loose on an unsuspecting public.
- x86x87 3y agoWaymo's tech is way better and they do think about safety vs Melon where everyone seems to be a gimmick geared towards drawing attention.