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Isn't this like saying "not your house, not your possessions" ? But landlords cannot just take or misplace my stuff, especially if I pay rent and have some righ

by Medox 3y ago

Isn't this like saying "not your house, not your possessions" ? But landlords cannot just take or misplace my stuff, especially if I pay rent and have some rights.

kijin 3y ago
Only because there are strong legal protections for residential tenants. Those laws don't apply to your relationship with Google.
halayli 3y ago
No, it definitely doesn't sound like that and it's not about rights. Your landlord cannot go and remodel your apartment and ruin your possessions without your approval of the changes they are about to make.
Wolfbeta 3y ago
What rights do you have in this case?
- withinboredom 3y ago
  > Google Drive allows you to upload, submit, store, send and receive content. As described in the Google Terms of Service, your content remains yours. We do not claim ownership in any of your content, including any text, data, information, and files that you upload, share, or store in your Drive account. The Google Terms of Service give Google a limited purpose license to operate and improve the Google Drive services — so if you decide to share a document with someone, or want to open it on a different device, we can provide that functionality. From their terms of service, they deleted YOUR data. Thus the rights you'd have when anyone destroys your stuff apply. Hmmm, might even be criminal... I'm not a lawyer though, so I don't know shit.
  - jqpabc123 3y ago
    If Google can delete it, it's not really *your* data is it? https://blog.google/products/photos/storage-policy-update/ https://blog.google/products/photos/storage-policy-update/
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      They say expressly when it will be removed in the ToS, if it doesn't meet any of those conditions, then they, contractually, cannot delete it. But saying that "because they can, they can" is silly. I "can" (as in able to) break into your house and steal your shit. By that logic, if I can do it, it wasn't trespassing or theft.
      - jqpabc123 3y ago
        But saying that "because they can, they can" is silly. They can because user's agreed to their terms of service --- and by so doing so, relinquished some of their ownership rights.
        withinboredom 3y ago
        Did you read them, because it very clearly states in the drive addendum that users DO NOT give up any ownership rights.
        jqpabc123 3y ago
        https://www.google.com/drive/terms-of-service/archived/ https://www.google.com/drive/terms-of-service/archived/ The total liability of Google, and its suppliers and distributors, for any claims under these terms, including for any implied warranties, is limited to the amount you paid us to use the services (or, if the subject of the claim is the free service, to supplying you the services again). In other words, they can delete *your* data any time they want and claim it was an accident. If you don't like it, you can sue for your money back. If you're using the free tier, you can expect $0.
        withinboredom 3y ago
        You can't sign away your rights, no matter what a contract says, in some places, tort still applies. Like I said, I'm not a lawyer, but just because there is a limit on liability, does not mean there is a limit on damages and tort.
jf22 3y ago
I'm sure the commenter did not mean this literally. They probably meant trusting a cloud provider can have consequences.
libraryatnight 3y ago
You put the analogy there, then broke it down - which should answer your own question. They are not the same, it's not like saying that at all. Once again HN misses the point on the quest for the perfect comparison.
uptown 3y ago
"But landlords cannot just take or misplace my stuff, especially if I pay rent and have some rights." They sure can. Years ago I had a shitty landlord clear an apartment I'd moved 95% of my belongings from but before the term of my lease had ended. Now you may have some legal recourse, but the cost/time associated with litigating a matter like that tends to outweigh the remedy.
- ericpauley 3y ago
  Someone can also rob your house if you own it. Now you may have some legal recourse, but...
  - jqpabc123 3y ago
    The "legal recourse" is what defines "ownership". If someone can take or destroy your stuff *without* legal recourse, then you don't really "own" it'
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      Okay, and how does this connect to home ownership? You have even less recourse against the average burglar than the average landlord.
      - jqpabc123 3y ago
        You have even less recourse against the average burglar than the average landlord. ??? Where I live, you can literally kill the average burglar for breaking into your home. That is pretty much the ultimate recourse. If you're not home and the police can find your burglar, you can legally press charges against him/her.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        You can physically stop a landlord from illegally dumping your items too. I'm talking about legal recourse after the fact. You can win both cases, at your own expense, but the burglar is much more likely to be judgement-proof.
tkiolp4 3y ago
It’s like that, but works differently depending on the country. If you live in a decent country with good laws and rules, then you have rights. If you live in a third world country, then you are out of luck. Google is a third world country on the internet in terms of “user’s rights”.
max_hammer 3y ago
But you control the access to the house. Your landlord won't enter your house and rearrange or remove your furniture.

by Medox 3y ago

Isn't this like saying "not your house, not your possessions" ? But landlords cannot just take or misplace my stuff, especially if I pay rent and have some rights.

kijin 3y ago

Only because there are strong legal protections for residential tenants. Those laws don't apply to your relationship with Google.

halayli 3y ago

No, it definitely doesn't sound like that and it's not about rights. Your landlord cannot go and remodel your apartment and ruin your possessions without your approval of the changes they are about to make.

Wolfbeta 3y ago

What rights do you have in this case?

withinboredom 3y ago
> Google Drive allows you to upload, submit, store, send and receive content. As described in the Google Terms of Service, your content remains yours. We do not claim ownership in any of your content, including any text, data, information, and files that you upload, share, or store in your Drive account. The Google Terms of Service give Google a limited purpose license to operate and improve the Google Drive services — so if you decide to share a document with someone, or want to open it on a different device, we can provide that functionality. From their terms of service, they deleted YOUR data. Thus the rights you'd have when anyone destroys your stuff apply. Hmmm, might even be criminal... I'm not a lawyer though, so I don't know shit.
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  If Google can delete it, it's not really *your* data is it? https://blog.google/products/photos/storage-policy-update/ https://blog.google/products/photos/storage-policy-update/
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    They say expressly when it will be removed in the ToS, if it doesn't meet any of those conditions, then they, contractually, cannot delete it. But saying that "because they can, they can" is silly. I "can" (as in able to) break into your house and steal your shit. By that logic, if I can do it, it wasn't trespassing or theft.
    - jqpabc123 3y ago
      But saying that "because they can, they can" is silly. They can because user's agreed to their terms of service --- and by so doing so, relinquished some of their ownership rights.
      - withinboredom 3y ago
        Did you read them, because it very clearly states in the drive addendum that users DO NOT give up any ownership rights.
        jqpabc123 3y ago
        https://www.google.com/drive/terms-of-service/archived/ https://www.google.com/drive/terms-of-service/archived/ The total liability of Google, and its suppliers and distributors, for any claims under these terms, including for any implied warranties, is limited to the amount you paid us to use the services (or, if the subject of the claim is the free service, to supplying you the services again). In other words, they can delete *your* data any time they want and claim it was an accident. If you don't like it, you can sue for your money back. If you're using the free tier, you can expect $0.
        withinboredom 3y ago
        You can't sign away your rights, no matter what a contract says, in some places, tort still applies. Like I said, I'm not a lawyer, but just because there is a limit on liability, does not mean there is a limit on damages and tort.

jf22 3y ago

I'm sure the commenter did not mean this literally. They probably meant trusting a cloud provider can have consequences.

libraryatnight 3y ago

You put the analogy there, then broke it down - which should answer your own question. They are not the same, it's not like saying that at all. Once again HN misses the point on the quest for the perfect comparison.

uptown 3y ago

"But landlords cannot just take or misplace my stuff, especially if I pay rent and have some rights." They sure can. Years ago I had a shitty landlord clear an apartment I'd moved 95% of my belongings from but before the term of my lease had ended. Now you may have some legal recourse, but the cost/time associated with litigating a matter like that tends to outweigh the remedy.

ericpauley 3y ago
Someone can also rob your house if you own it. Now you may have some legal recourse, but...
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  The "legal recourse" is what defines "ownership". If someone can take or destroy your stuff *without* legal recourse, then you don't really "own" it'
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    Okay, and how does this connect to home ownership? You have even less recourse against the average burglar than the average landlord.
    - jqpabc123 3y ago
      You have even less recourse against the average burglar than the average landlord. ??? Where I live, you can literally kill the average burglar for breaking into your home. That is pretty much the ultimate recourse. If you're not home and the police can find your burglar, you can legally press charges against him/her.
      - Dylan16807 3y ago
        You can physically stop a landlord from illegally dumping your items too. I'm talking about legal recourse after the fact. You can win both cases, at your own expense, but the burglar is much more likely to be judgement-proof.

tkiolp4 3y ago

It’s like that, but works differently depending on the country. If you live in a decent country with good laws and rules, then you have rights. If you live in a third world country, then you are out of luck. Google is a third world country on the internet in terms of “user’s rights”.

max_hammer 3y ago

But you control the access to the house. Your landlord won't enter your house and rearrange or remove your furniture.