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Not your drive, not your data.

by jqpabc123 3y ago

Hamuko 3y ago
But if I go to drive.google.com, it quite clearly says "My Drive".
- rovr138 3y ago
  I’m going to laugh when they say that that’s the name of the feature. A “my drive”
- issafram 3y ago
  Check mate!
- crtasm 3y ago
  Indeed - Google refer to it as My Drive. They're making it clear it's not Your Drive!
  - DaiPlusPlus 3y ago
    Getting Smokey Bear vibes from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX1x7pfH8fw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX1x7pfH8fw
Medox 3y ago
Isn't this like saying "not your house, not your possessions" ? But landlords cannot just take or misplace my stuff, especially if I pay rent and have some rights.
- kijin 3y ago
  Only because there are strong legal protections for residential tenants. Those laws don't apply to your relationship with Google.
- halayli 3y ago
  No, it definitely doesn't sound like that and it's not about rights. Your landlord cannot go and remodel your apartment and ruin your possessions without your approval of the changes they are about to make.
- Wolfbeta 3y ago
  What rights do you have in this case?
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    > Google Drive allows you to upload, submit, store, send and receive content. As described in the Google Terms of Service, your content remains yours. We do not claim ownership in any of your content, including any text, data, information, and files that you upload, share, or store in your Drive account. The Google Terms of Service give Google a limited purpose license to operate and improve the Google Drive services — so if you decide to share a document with someone, or want to open it on a different device, we can provide that functionality. From their terms of service, they deleted YOUR data. Thus the rights you'd have when anyone destroys your stuff apply. Hmmm, might even be criminal... I'm not a lawyer though, so I don't know shit.
    - jqpabc123 3y ago
      If Google can delete it, it's not really *your* data is it? https://blog.google/products/photos/storage-policy-update/ https://blog.google/products/photos/storage-policy-update/
      - withinboredom 3y ago
        They say expressly when it will be removed in the ToS, if it doesn't meet any of those conditions, then they, contractually, cannot delete it. But saying that "because they can, they can" is silly. I "can" (as in able to) break into your house and steal your shit. By that logic, if I can do it, it wasn't trespassing or theft.
        jqpabc123 3y ago
        But saying that "because they can, they can" is silly. They can because user's agreed to their terms of service --- and by so doing so, relinquished some of their ownership rights.
- jf22 3y ago
  I'm sure the commenter did not mean this literally. They probably meant trusting a cloud provider can have consequences.
- libraryatnight 3y ago
  You put the analogy there, then broke it down - which should answer your own question. They are not the same, it's not like saying that at all. Once again HN misses the point on the quest for the perfect comparison.
- uptown 3y ago
  "But landlords cannot just take or misplace my stuff, especially if I pay rent and have some rights." They sure can. Years ago I had a shitty landlord clear an apartment I'd moved 95% of my belongings from but before the term of my lease had ended. Now you may have some legal recourse, but the cost/time associated with litigating a matter like that tends to outweigh the remedy.
  - ericpauley 3y ago
    Someone can also rob your house if you own it. Now you may have some legal recourse, but...
    - jqpabc123 3y ago
      The "legal recourse" is what defines "ownership". If someone can take or destroy your stuff *without* legal recourse, then you don't really "own" it'
      - Dylan16807 3y ago
        Okay, and how does this connect to home ownership? You have even less recourse against the average burglar than the average landlord.
        jqpabc123 3y ago
        You have even less recourse against the average burglar than the average landlord. ??? Where I live, you can literally kill the average burglar for breaking into your home. That is pretty much the ultimate recourse. If you're not home and the police can find your burglar, you can legally press charges against him/her.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        You can physically stop a landlord from illegally dumping your items too. I'm talking about legal recourse after the fact. You can win both cases, at your own expense, but the burglar is much more likely to be judgement-proof.
- tkiolp4 3y ago
  It’s like that, but works differently depending on the country. If you live in a decent country with good laws and rules, then you have rights. If you live in a third world country, then you are out of luck. Google is a third world country on the internet in terms of “user’s rights”.
- max_hammer 3y ago
  But you control the access to the house. Your landlord won't enter your house and rearrange or remove your furniture.
Isthatablackgsd 3y ago
If I pay for the storage, then it is my drive and my data. The article didn't say anything about the free or paid GDrive accounts. If it is a free account, then that is up for debate. If it impacts the paid consumers, they paid for the service and it is their data.
- bryanrasmussen 3y ago
  do you have a link to the legal decisions that confirm this is the case and establish what rights the customer actually has in this relationship? What rights do the contracts that a paid customer signs with Google say they have over the data? From what I see in the free terms of service: "You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours." which is neat. You have the rights to your data, but there doesn't seem to be any stated obligation for Google to keep that data or make it accessible to you.
  - ajross 3y ago
    > You have the rights to your data, but there doesn't seem to be any stated obligation for Google to keep that data or make it accessible to you. On a paid account, clearly that's part of the contracted service being provided. There is absolutely an obligation to provide the service you took payment for. But no, in general in our society, gratis products aren't required to carry warranties, for obvious reasons (no one would provide them if so).
    - bryanrasmussen 3y ago
      >On a paid account, clearly that's part of the contracted service being provided. There is absolutely an obligation to provide the service you took payment for. yeah, unless there is a statement sort of like "We reserve the right to terminate accounts in the case of violation of terms of service as determined by our automated systems" in which case you would need to go to court and get a determination that clearly that is wrong and they can't do that, in general in American society that's how things work.
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Not your drive, not your data.

Hamuko 3y ago

But if I go to drive.google.com, it quite clearly says "My Drive".

rovr138 3y ago
I’m going to laugh when they say that that’s the name of the feature. A “my drive”
issafram 3y ago
Check mate!
crtasm 3y ago
Indeed - Google refer to it as My Drive. They're making it clear it's not Your Drive!
- DaiPlusPlus 3y ago
  Getting Smokey Bear vibes from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX1x7pfH8fw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX1x7pfH8fw

Medox 3y ago

Isn't this like saying "not your house, not your possessions" ? But landlords cannot just take or misplace my stuff, especially if I pay rent and have some rights.

kijin 3y ago
Only because there are strong legal protections for residential tenants. Those laws don't apply to your relationship with Google.
halayli 3y ago
No, it definitely doesn't sound like that and it's not about rights. Your landlord cannot go and remodel your apartment and ruin your possessions without your approval of the changes they are about to make.
Wolfbeta 3y ago
What rights do you have in this case?
- withinboredom 3y ago
  > Google Drive allows you to upload, submit, store, send and receive content. As described in the Google Terms of Service, your content remains yours. We do not claim ownership in any of your content, including any text, data, information, and files that you upload, share, or store in your Drive account. The Google Terms of Service give Google a limited purpose license to operate and improve the Google Drive services — so if you decide to share a document with someone, or want to open it on a different device, we can provide that functionality. From their terms of service, they deleted YOUR data. Thus the rights you'd have when anyone destroys your stuff apply. Hmmm, might even be criminal... I'm not a lawyer though, so I don't know shit.
  - jqpabc123 3y ago
    If Google can delete it, it's not really *your* data is it? https://blog.google/products/photos/storage-policy-update/ https://blog.google/products/photos/storage-policy-update/
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      They say expressly when it will be removed in the ToS, if it doesn't meet any of those conditions, then they, contractually, cannot delete it. But saying that "because they can, they can" is silly. I "can" (as in able to) break into your house and steal your shit. By that logic, if I can do it, it wasn't trespassing or theft.
      - jqpabc123 3y ago
        But saying that "because they can, they can" is silly. They can because user's agreed to their terms of service --- and by so doing so, relinquished some of their ownership rights.
jf22 3y ago
I'm sure the commenter did not mean this literally. They probably meant trusting a cloud provider can have consequences.
libraryatnight 3y ago
You put the analogy there, then broke it down - which should answer your own question. They are not the same, it's not like saying that at all. Once again HN misses the point on the quest for the perfect comparison.
uptown 3y ago
"But landlords cannot just take or misplace my stuff, especially if I pay rent and have some rights." They sure can. Years ago I had a shitty landlord clear an apartment I'd moved 95% of my belongings from but before the term of my lease had ended. Now you may have some legal recourse, but the cost/time associated with litigating a matter like that tends to outweigh the remedy.
- ericpauley 3y ago
  Someone can also rob your house if you own it. Now you may have some legal recourse, but...
  - jqpabc123 3y ago
    The "legal recourse" is what defines "ownership". If someone can take or destroy your stuff *without* legal recourse, then you don't really "own" it'
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      Okay, and how does this connect to home ownership? You have even less recourse against the average burglar than the average landlord.
      - jqpabc123 3y ago
        You have even less recourse against the average burglar than the average landlord. ??? Where I live, you can literally kill the average burglar for breaking into your home. That is pretty much the ultimate recourse. If you're not home and the police can find your burglar, you can legally press charges against him/her.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        You can physically stop a landlord from illegally dumping your items too. I'm talking about legal recourse after the fact. You can win both cases, at your own expense, but the burglar is much more likely to be judgement-proof.
tkiolp4 3y ago
It’s like that, but works differently depending on the country. If you live in a decent country with good laws and rules, then you have rights. If you live in a third world country, then you are out of luck. Google is a third world country on the internet in terms of “user’s rights”.
max_hammer 3y ago
But you control the access to the house. Your landlord won't enter your house and rearrange or remove your furniture.

Isthatablackgsd 3y ago

If I pay for the storage, then it is my drive and my data. The article didn't say anything about the free or paid GDrive accounts. If it is a free account, then that is up for debate. If it impacts the paid consumers, they paid for the service and it is their data.

bryanrasmussen 3y ago
do you have a link to the legal decisions that confirm this is the case and establish what rights the customer actually has in this relationship? What rights do the contracts that a paid customer signs with Google say they have over the data? From what I see in the free terms of service: "You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours." which is neat. You have the rights to your data, but there doesn't seem to be any stated obligation for Google to keep that data or make it accessible to you.
- ajross 3y ago
  > You have the rights to your data, but there doesn't seem to be any stated obligation for Google to keep that data or make it accessible to you. On a paid account, clearly that's part of the contracted service being provided. There is absolutely an obligation to provide the service you took payment for. But no, in general in our society, gratis products aren't required to carry warranties, for obvious reasons (no one would provide them if so).
  - bryanrasmussen 3y ago
    >On a paid account, clearly that's part of the contracted service being provided. There is absolutely an obligation to provide the service you took payment for. yeah, unless there is a statement sort of like "We reserve the right to terminate accounts in the case of violation of terms of service as determined by our automated systems" in which case you would need to go to court and get a determination that clearly that is wrong and they can't do that, in general in American society that's how things work.

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