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Tesla is trying any means necessary since they know that Swedish labour laws are strong: if they do not have a union agreement, workers are allowed to strike (i
by jesperlang 3y ago
Tesla is trying any means necessary since they know that Swedish labour laws are strong: if they do not have a union agreement, workers are allowed to strike (indefinitely). This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla so I at this point I think it is an ideological/personal battle..
- ornornor 3y agoGood, I’m rooting for the people. Tesla (and others) are blatantly ignoring human decency and social contracts in the pursuit of their founder’s greed. This must stop. I’m glad Sweden has strong enough labour unions to battle this at scale and head on, unlike most other countries where it’s too easy for corporations to exploit workers with little to be repercussions other than the occasional drop in the bucket settlement and massive profits.
- kmlx 3y ago> This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla i would assume the nordic markets are tiny compared to the RoW. does anyone here have any data on revenue from those markets for tesla?
- iepathos 3y agoSure do, https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/passenger-cars/tesla/sweden https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/passenger-cars/tesla/sw... sweden is $629m annually for tesla out of Tesla's $26b total annual revenue.
- Stranger43 3y agoCostly in terms of eventually being forced to choose between allowing unionization and leaving the nordic market entirely. It's something that just about every other big anti-union American company have had to deal with and it's in the past always led to the American company basically surrendering and allowed unionization usually without any major loss of profit/revenue, apart from the money wasted fighting the strong and very popular Scandinavian trade unions.
- BurningFrog 3y ago> leaving the nordic market entirely This is an entirely Swedish conflict. Neighboring countries have their own systems. Last I heard, Tesla is the biggest auto brand in Norway!
- fsloth 3y agoYup, not aware of any US company that would have exited nordics because of unions. Nordics are politically very integrated societies and large scale actors are all perceived to ”play on the same side” including unions etc. So Tesla is not just taking on the unions, they are challenging the entire social contract by proxy.
- matsemann 3y agoNorway and Sweden are both top 5 countries in sold Teslas.
- mxsjoberg 3y agoless than 10% of US sales
- netsharc 3y agoWhich is a number that makes it worse... it means they're only popular in at most 4 countries, and have stiff competition (or in general unappealing to buyers) everywhere else. If they were selling like hotcakes more equally around the world, a place with only 10% of US sales would not be in their top 5.
- lynx23 3y agoIf I were Musk, I'd just shut down the whole operation in Sweden. It is not like the country is particularily big.
- bjornasm 3y agoOnly the 5th largest country, ans by doing so they might shut down their 4th largest country, Norway, as well.
- mxsjoberg 3y agoless than 10% of US sales
- pandaman 3y ago5th largest country by what measure? It's definitely not even in the top 50 by population nor by the territory.
- fastasucan 3y ago5th largest country by revenue. By the "population" or "territory" logic, Russia, India and China should be the most important markets for Tesla (they are not).
- pandaman 3y agoChina is not? Tesla's revenue from the US is double that from China and from China is more than from the rest of the world yet Sweden is so important?
- larsnystrom 3y agoI believe this is what will happen. The Swedish unions can’t budge, and Elon won’t budge, so there’s really no other solution to this conflict.
- Dah00n 3y ago
- contrarian1234 3y agoAre they on strike though? Are they refusing to come in to work and not being paid? From the blurb it sounds like they're choosing to not deliver mail to one particular person/company .. which sounds absurd.. I assume postal workers can't on their own decide to not deliver mail to people/companies they don't like as long as it's framed as a protest
- cool_dude85 3y agoI think they probably have the power to not cross a picket line, or even a full blown sympathy strike if they want. In this case, the union who wants Tesla to accept the sectoral contract is striking, so the postal union is refusing to cross the picket line by doing business with Tesla.
- contrarian1234 3y agoThat doesn't make sense. It says they're refusing to allow Tesla to pick up the license plates as well. And in any case, is a picket line a legally protected entity now?
- bjornasm 3y agoIt doesn't make sense? How so? They are supporting the strike by boycotting Tesla.
- s1artibartfast 3y agoStealing or withholding property is not a legitimate form of striking. If you don't want to deliver something, fine, but you can't stop someone from picking it up themselves
- hatsix 3y agoWelcome to Sweden, where unions and corporations determine the rules, and the government tries to stay out of it.
- papichulo2023 3y agoThis could be more expensive for Sweden if the US gov decides to retaliate (current or next one) or companies watching this and considering entering their market or not.
- rsynnott 3y agoI mean, this is hardly the first time this has happened; US and other foreign companies have incurred the wrath of the unions in the Nordics before. Why would the US _government_ retaliate against the Swedish _government_ for a dispute between the Swedish unions and a company? What form would this retaliation take? Bear in mind that, for practical purposes, even if for some reason it wanted to (and again, why would it?) the US couldn't really impose trade sanctions on Sweden without starting a trade war with the Common Market as a whole. As for other companies entering the market, like, this is a thing companies know about the market before going in. This isn't something new.
- yterdy 3y ago>Why would the US _government_ retaliate against the Swedish _government_ for a dispute between the Swedish unions and a company? If you want to go down a fun rabbit hole, look into conspiracy theories about how many things Tesla's (and Amazon's and Apple's and Microsoft's and-) stock price is propping up.
- Dah00n 3y agoUS officials have done so lots of times. Go to any official political meeting between countries and US businesses are participating together with state officials. Like in US China meetings. Xi Jinping just met with Tim Cook, Elon Musk, etc.