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Htmx Webring

75 points by satya71 3y ago

burcs 3y ago
For those of us who need a refresher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webring Also, on another note I think HTMX has successfully positioned itself as a meme, for better or worse. I have tried using it on a few side projects and I do like the simplicity of it, but is there a goal of it being credible software, or just something the creators are having fun with?
- chii 3y ago
  > but is there a goal of it being credible software, or just something the creators are having fun with? these are not mutually exclusive outcomes.
- krackers 3y ago
  >has successfully positioned itself as a meme https://htmx.org/essays/#memes https://htmx.org/essays/#memes
- danielvaughn 3y ago
  It's definitely a real, credible project. I'd played with HTMX a couple years ago when it was first announced. It was only recently that the author began using memes on Twitter and attained a large following from that. He has a great book explaining the philosophy behind the project: https://hypermedia.systems https://hypermedia.systems
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mtillman 3y ago
I'm for people creating things they want to use. I also have a negative, possibly unfounded reaction to the stated purposes of htmx: >Why should only <a> and <form> be able to make HTTP requests? >Why should only click & submit events trigger them? >Why should only GET & POST methods be available? >Why should you only be able to replace the entire screen? >By removing these arbitrary constraints, htmx completes HTML as a hypertext" I guess people do all of these things with javascript anyways but it gave me a "get off my lawn" reaction when I read these bullets.
- danielvaughn 3y ago
  I've already linked in another comment on this thread so I won't repeat it, but there's a book explaining why. I didn't know this prior to reading the book, but the original intent of RESTful APIs were to use hypermedia as the engine of application state (HATEOAS). Terrible acronym, but a really interesting idea. There's a lot to say about it, but the essential idea is that if you let the server control the state of the application via hypermedia requests/responses, you eliminate a lot of the complexity that is associated with client-side web apps.
  - nsonha 3y ago
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    - yoru-sulfur 3y ago
      I think that dismissing it out of hand as useless is unproductive. From my understanding Roy Fieldings dissertation was a description and formalization of the web as it has been built, not just prescriptive advice on software architecture. To say it's not useful is to ignore how humans browse the web.
      - nsonha 3y ago
        my memory is hazy but aren't semantic web, ontology and all that HATEOAS stuff for bots instead of humans? Now that LLM is here, what use do they have?
        hobs 3y ago
        Structured data doesn't magically go away because you have better interpretation of unstructured data that doesn't blow goats; it's still orders of magnitude easier to manage, store, and retrieve structured data.
        nsonha 3y ago
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PedroBatista 3y ago
My favorite part about Htmx - other than being very useful for 90% of all web-apps/websites since the intercooler.js days - it's just the fun of the whole "marketing" side and seeing "young" people ( aka. started their web career in the last 10 years ) royally annoyed and in disbelief how someone can build stuff without using "industry standard React" or Vue or Svelte. ( more than the framework, the way of thinking about web development ). Seeing "web boomers" having fun and doing their own thing and "young and serious" frontend dev professionals with a career to have acting like the typical know-it-all curmudgeon just warms my heart.
- potsandpans 3y ago
  I don't see that anywhere. Where are you seeing it?
  - ghomem 3y ago
    Here: https://twitter.com/htmx_org https://twitter.com/htmx_org But beware of the deep layers of nerd humour.
- webworker 3y ago
  I'm with the boomers tbqh
firecall 3y ago
I love this! I've never used HTMX, but it looks interesting. I just love the spirit of webrings! When I think back to early days of the web, I recall the joy and excitement of discovering websites from parts of the world I'd never been and likely never will! The web doesn't need to be social media network scale. It can be about slow personal discovery. Sites used to be built for expression and utility, not SEO and the glorification of Likes. SEO and Google ruined blogging. Facebook ruined social media. The people need to take the web back! :-)
blev 3y ago
While clicking around on the htmx website, I noticed that these two examples are broken: https://htmx.org/examples/sortable/ https://htmx.org/examples/sortable/ https://htmx.org/examples/modal-bootstrap/ https://htmx.org/examples/modal-bootstrap/ Neither worked for me in Chrome or Safari
- meowtimemania 3y ago
  Both worked for me on iOS Safari
- jakranz 3y ago
  worked for me in netscape navigator 4.0
xupybd 3y ago
To really understand HTMX you need to follow the Twitter/X account https://x.com/htmx_org?t=RUZzNxOdTAihrieKNq8iIg&s=09 https://x.com/htmx_org?t=RUZzNxOdTAihrieKNq8iIg&s=09
webworker 3y ago
I just started using HTMX. It replaced a small volume of VueJS code that I wrote to facilitate a few XHR interactions. Pagination and filtering and search-as-you-type interactions are all so much more pleasant now. Logic is de-duplicated, since it can all live on the server. I'm a fan.
monotux 3y ago
Can’t tell if all of this is satire, both the webring and the comments here.

75 points by satya71 3y ago

For those of us who need a refresher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webring Also, on another note I think HTMX has successfully positioned itself as a meme, for better or worse. I have tried using it on a few side projects and I do like the simplicity of it, but is there a goal of it being credible software, or just something the creators are having fun with?

chii 3y ago
> but is there a goal of it being credible software, or just something the creators are having fun with? these are not mutually exclusive outcomes.
krackers 3y ago
>has successfully positioned itself as a meme https://htmx.org/essays/#memes https://htmx.org/essays/#memes
danielvaughn 3y ago
It's definitely a real, credible project. I'd played with HTMX a couple years ago when it was first announced. It was only recently that the author began using memes on Twitter and attained a large following from that. He has a great book explaining the philosophy behind the project: https://hypermedia.systems https://hypermedia.systems
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mtillman 3y ago

I'm for people creating things they want to use. I also have a negative, possibly unfounded reaction to the stated purposes of htmx: >Why should only <a> and <form> be able to make HTTP requests? >Why should only click & submit events trigger them? >Why should only GET & POST methods be available? >Why should you only be able to replace the entire screen? >By removing these arbitrary constraints, htmx completes HTML as a hypertext" I guess people do all of these things with javascript anyways but it gave me a "get off my lawn" reaction when I read these bullets.

danielvaughn 3y ago
I've already linked in another comment on this thread so I won't repeat it, but there's a book explaining why. I didn't know this prior to reading the book, but the original intent of RESTful APIs were to use hypermedia as the engine of application state (HATEOAS). Terrible acronym, but a really interesting idea. There's a lot to say about it, but the essential idea is that if you let the server control the state of the application via hypermedia requests/responses, you eliminate a lot of the complexity that is associated with client-side web apps.
- nsonha 3y ago
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  - yoru-sulfur 3y ago
    I think that dismissing it out of hand as useless is unproductive. From my understanding Roy Fieldings dissertation was a description and formalization of the web as it has been built, not just prescriptive advice on software architecture. To say it's not useful is to ignore how humans browse the web.
    - nsonha 3y ago
      my memory is hazy but aren't semantic web, ontology and all that HATEOAS stuff for bots instead of humans? Now that LLM is here, what use do they have?
      - hobs 3y ago
        Structured data doesn't magically go away because you have better interpretation of unstructured data that doesn't blow goats; it's still orders of magnitude easier to manage, store, and retrieve structured data.
        nsonha 3y ago

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PedroBatista 3y ago

My favorite part about Htmx - other than being very useful for 90% of all web-apps/websites since the intercooler.js days - it's just the fun of the whole "marketing" side and seeing "young" people ( aka. started their web career in the last 10 years ) royally annoyed and in disbelief how someone can build stuff without using "industry standard React" or Vue or Svelte. ( more than the framework, the way of thinking about web development ). Seeing "web boomers" having fun and doing their own thing and "young and serious" frontend dev professionals with a career to have acting like the typical know-it-all curmudgeon just warms my heart.

potsandpans 3y ago
I don't see that anywhere. Where are you seeing it?
- ghomem 3y ago
  Here: https://twitter.com/htmx_org https://twitter.com/htmx_org But beware of the deep layers of nerd humour.
webworker 3y ago
I'm with the boomers tbqh

firecall 3y ago

I love this! I've never used HTMX, but it looks interesting. I just love the spirit of webrings! When I think back to early days of the web, I recall the joy and excitement of discovering websites from parts of the world I'd never been and likely never will! The web doesn't need to be social media network scale. It can be about slow personal discovery. Sites used to be built for expression and utility, not SEO and the glorification of Likes. SEO and Google ruined blogging. Facebook ruined social media. The people need to take the web back! :-)

blev 3y ago

While clicking around on the htmx website, I noticed that these two examples are broken: https://htmx.org/examples/sortable/ https://htmx.org/examples/sortable/ https://htmx.org/examples/modal-bootstrap/ https://htmx.org/examples/modal-bootstrap/ Neither worked for me in Chrome or Safari

meowtimemania 3y ago
Both worked for me on iOS Safari
jakranz 3y ago
worked for me in netscape navigator 4.0

xupybd 3y ago

To really understand HTMX you need to follow the Twitter/X account https://x.com/htmx_org?t=RUZzNxOdTAihrieKNq8iIg&s=09 https://x.com/htmx_org?t=RUZzNxOdTAihrieKNq8iIg&s=09

webworker 3y ago

I just started using HTMX. It replaced a small volume of VueJS code that I wrote to facilitate a few XHR interactions. Pagination and filtering and search-as-you-type interactions are all so much more pleasant now. Logic is de-duplicated, since it can all live on the server. I'm a fan.

monotux 3y ago

Can’t tell if all of this is satire, both the webring and the comments here.