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Criticizing the actions of overweight or unhealthy people is as socially tabboo as that of trans, israel or jews. It doesn't matter how sound your argument is,

Criticizing the actions of overweight or unhealthy people is as socially tabboo as that of trans, israel or jews. It doesn't matter how sound your argument is, these socially "protected" classes are infallible apparently. I think after several generations that experience mortality at younger ages because of obesity, there might be an honest discussion of how bad being sedentary and overweight is for your health. Until then you have liberal rhetoric equating any acknowledgement of this reality to an accusation that someone is a bad person for being fat.

Clubber 3y ago
>Criticizing the actions of overweight or unhealthy people is as socially tabboo as that of trans, israel or jews. I think news people tried to throw that at the wall for a little while, but it didn't stick.
- orangepurple 3y ago
  It absolutely stuck but Health at Every Size (HAES) and the body positivity movement doesn't have the same resources to attack and vilify as the other groups. Israel isn't just taboo. They actively destroy opposition by getting people fired, prevent them from getting funding (important in politics), and have entire call centers staffed tasked with forum sliding and demoralization. See the JIDF (it never stopped contrary to the lies on Wikipedia).
  - strken 3y ago
    HAES has a decent point at its core. Screaming at fat and sedentary people to put the burgers down and go for a run is not an effective way to get them to live more healthily. Better to get them walking around the block a few times a week as an ongoing habit than do three sessions of max heart rate cardio and quit. There's a move to destigmatise obesity, but the academics who support that still want to lower obesity, which is not the same thing as other protected groups.
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gardenhedge 3y ago
Nah, I could post that fat people are lazy and not get banned on any platform. You can't touch the other three things you mentioned.
thrownaway561 3y ago
American is the most overweight and obese nation in the world. It shouldn't be "socially acceptable" to pander to unhealthy lifestyles and telling people to exercises shouldn't be seen as "shaming" them. If you don't tell them to get off their butt and do some form of exercises, you're basically encouraging and loving them to an early death.
- Fricken 3y ago
  So many problems related to physical health, mental health, social and community health, as well as environmental and economic health are exasperated by one thing: cars. Meanwhile Fewer kids are walking or biking to school than ever before, setting them up for a lifetime of sedentarism and it's consequences. The obesity rate will continue it's steady march upwards and to the right.
  - lotsoweiners 3y ago
    I’m sure you’ve heard the saying “you can’t outrun a bad diet”. Nutrition is much more important than exercise/physical activity overall but of course a good balance of both is ideal.
    - Fricken 3y ago
      You're bound by popular myths entertained by people who struggle, and they struggle because they're bound by popular myths. I can outrun a bad diet just fine. Possibly you were trying to outdrive a bad diet. Our diets haven't gotten meaningfully worse in the past quarter century. per capita sugar consumption peaked in the mid 90s, but obesity rates have continued to rise, steadily.
- edmundsauto 3y ago
  > If you don't tell them to get off their butt and do some form of exercises, you're basically encouraging and loving them to an early death. Ah, yes, the approach that ignores any of the psychological root causes of diseases that are clearly partially psychological. It also happens that telling people things in an empathy less way can backfire. The solution to obesity is not as simple as your experience makes you think - or it would already be a solved problem.
amanaplanacanal 3y ago
Everybody knows that being sedentary and overweight is bad for your health. You think this is some secret that people are trying to hide? The problem is that we have no strategy for long term weight loss that actually works. This is probably related to the fact that we have no idea what is causing the obesity epidemic to begin with. There are tons of theories, though.
- valianteffort 3y ago
  >Everybody knows that being sedentary and overweight is bad for your health. No there is a growing segment of the population that has no idea being sedentary leads to weight gain, as well as a segment that thinks being overweight is ok or healthy. Perhaps you're not as in-touch with the rhetoric of the younger generation.
wkat4242 3y ago
Whoa you're bundling a lot of things together there that are super different. I think there's a huge difference between Israel the country and government and Jews for example. Criticising Jews is generalisation because they're not one entity and not all the same. One Jewish person is not responsible for the actions of the others. So yeah criticism is automatically discrimination and in this case antisemitism. You can criticise individuals for their actions but not generalise that over a whole people. The state of Israel, well that is a singular entity with a clear power structure and certainly can be criticized for its actions. I don't think that amounts to antisemitism. Because Israel isn't made up of only Jews. And trans people, why do people feel the need to criticize them? Let them be who they are, they're not harming anyone. Maybe your holy book says it's wrong, well you can apply it to yourself but not others who don't follow your beliefs. And yeah obesity is bad. I'm obese as well and I know that. It's just very hard to do something about it, the same way you can't tell a depressed person to just be happy. Some people have a huge tendency to gain weight and overeat. People without this problem underestimate the difficulty.
- fffs 3y ago
  > And trans people, why do people feel the need to criticize them? Let them be who they are, they're not harming anyone. The criticism is this: a woman's right to a single-sex spaces cannot co-exist with the desire of a male to enter these spaces based on his claims of 'gender identity'. When the desires of the latter are prioritised above the needs of the former, this causes actual harm.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Do you really think people have a whole transition just to be able to sneak into the women's bathroom? And really, they're not coming into the stall with anyone else. There's still private space there. So the purported problem just appears at the sink. Many places have unisex bathrooms now too. And/or not gender-matching cleaning staff. Also it's kinda rude misgendering trans females. They aren't males.
    - valianteffort 3y ago

Clubber 3y ago

>Criticizing the actions of overweight or unhealthy people is as socially tabboo as that of trans, israel or jews. I think news people tried to throw that at the wall for a little while, but it didn't stick.

orangepurple 3y ago
It absolutely stuck but Health at Every Size (HAES) and the body positivity movement doesn't have the same resources to attack and vilify as the other groups. Israel isn't just taboo. They actively destroy opposition by getting people fired, prevent them from getting funding (important in politics), and have entire call centers staffed tasked with forum sliding and demoralization. See the JIDF (it never stopped contrary to the lies on Wikipedia).
- strken 3y ago
  HAES has a decent point at its core. Screaming at fat and sedentary people to put the burgers down and go for a run is not an effective way to get them to live more healthily. Better to get them walking around the block a few times a week as an ongoing habit than do three sessions of max heart rate cardio and quit. There's a move to destigmatise obesity, but the academics who support that still want to lower obesity, which is not the same thing as other protected groups.
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gardenhedge 3y ago

Nah, I could post that fat people are lazy and not get banned on any platform. You can't touch the other three things you mentioned.

thrownaway561 3y ago

American is the most overweight and obese nation in the world. It shouldn't be "socially acceptable" to pander to unhealthy lifestyles and telling people to exercises shouldn't be seen as "shaming" them. If you don't tell them to get off their butt and do some form of exercises, you're basically encouraging and loving them to an early death.

Fricken 3y ago
So many problems related to physical health, mental health, social and community health, as well as environmental and economic health are exasperated by one thing: cars. Meanwhile Fewer kids are walking or biking to school than ever before, setting them up for a lifetime of sedentarism and it's consequences. The obesity rate will continue it's steady march upwards and to the right.
- lotsoweiners 3y ago
  I’m sure you’ve heard the saying “you can’t outrun a bad diet”. Nutrition is much more important than exercise/physical activity overall but of course a good balance of both is ideal.
  - Fricken 3y ago
    You're bound by popular myths entertained by people who struggle, and they struggle because they're bound by popular myths. I can outrun a bad diet just fine. Possibly you were trying to outdrive a bad diet. Our diets haven't gotten meaningfully worse in the past quarter century. per capita sugar consumption peaked in the mid 90s, but obesity rates have continued to rise, steadily.
edmundsauto 3y ago
> If you don't tell them to get off their butt and do some form of exercises, you're basically encouraging and loving them to an early death. Ah, yes, the approach that ignores any of the psychological root causes of diseases that are clearly partially psychological. It also happens that telling people things in an empathy less way can backfire. The solution to obesity is not as simple as your experience makes you think - or it would already be a solved problem.

amanaplanacanal 3y ago

Everybody knows that being sedentary and overweight is bad for your health. You think this is some secret that people are trying to hide? The problem is that we have no strategy for long term weight loss that actually works. This is probably related to the fact that we have no idea what is causing the obesity epidemic to begin with. There are tons of theories, though.

valianteffort 3y ago
>Everybody knows that being sedentary and overweight is bad for your health. No there is a growing segment of the population that has no idea being sedentary leads to weight gain, as well as a segment that thinks being overweight is ok or healthy. Perhaps you're not as in-touch with the rhetoric of the younger generation.

wkat4242 3y ago

Whoa you're bundling a lot of things together there that are super different. I think there's a huge difference between Israel the country and government and Jews for example. Criticising Jews is generalisation because they're not one entity and not all the same. One Jewish person is not responsible for the actions of the others. So yeah criticism is automatically discrimination and in this case antisemitism. You can criticise individuals for their actions but not generalise that over a whole people. The state of Israel, well that is a singular entity with a clear power structure and certainly can be criticized for its actions. I don't think that amounts to antisemitism. Because Israel isn't made up of only Jews. And trans people, why do people feel the need to criticize them? Let them be who they are, they're not harming anyone. Maybe your holy book says it's wrong, well you can apply it to yourself but not others who don't follow your beliefs. And yeah obesity is bad. I'm obese as well and I know that. It's just very hard to do something about it, the same way you can't tell a depressed person to just be happy. Some people have a huge tendency to gain weight and overeat. People without this problem underestimate the difficulty.

fffs 3y ago
> And trans people, why do people feel the need to criticize them? Let them be who they are, they're not harming anyone. The criticism is this: a woman's right to a single-sex spaces cannot co-exist with the desire of a male to enter these spaces based on his claims of 'gender identity'. When the desires of the latter are prioritised above the needs of the former, this causes actual harm.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Do you really think people have a whole transition just to be able to sneak into the women's bathroom? And really, they're not coming into the stall with anyone else. There's still private space there. So the purported problem just appears at the sink. Many places have unisex bathrooms now too. And/or not gender-matching cleaning staff. Also it's kinda rude misgendering trans females. They aren't males.
  - valianteffort 3y ago