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Unless it’s made illegal I’m sure there would be plenty of streamers that can get a hold of one NYPD talkie talkie and broadcast that.

networkchad 3y ago
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cherryteastain 3y ago
They'll probably rotate keys every now and then.
- helpfulclippy 3y ago
  That’s bound to be fun. Encryption is easy; key management is hard.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    These radio systems are designed to handle key management fairly intrinsically.
- huytersd 3y ago
  Well wouldn’t every radio receive the updated keys unless it’s specifically reported as lost and blocked?
PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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Scoundreller 3y ago
Despite being very illegal, Toronto had encrypted radios for a while, and they were both somehow cloned and “lost” without being deactivated. Primarily for crooked tow truck drivers, whom streaming subscriptions were being sold to. But you could imagine that being a lot worse. And Toronto police are very well paid, probably better than NYPD. https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2021/2/19/1_5316595.html https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2021/2/19/1_5316595.ht... https://nationalpost.com/news/toronto-cop-part-of-organized-crime-group-involved-in-vicious-tow-truck-wars-chief-says/wcm/bc6af5a7-7b2c-4e8b-b1e0-238c6eb72f03/amp/ https://nationalpost.com/news/toronto-cop-part-of-organized-... https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-police-forces-checking-radio-inventories-after-devices-recovered-in/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-polic... https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5622069 https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5622069 edit: not sure what the term is for trusting a "more secure" system with more sensitive information, but ultimately goes sideways when it turns out to not be as secure as thought.
- motohagiography 3y ago
  Those crooked tow truck drivers were organized crime fronts as well. Some of those tow trucks had so many antennas they were basically mobile sigint stations. With the voice transcription tech available today, you could pretty trivially run a private one.
  - hattmall 3y ago
    Can you further explain what all of that means? Like basically every sentence? What were the two truck drivers doing crooked? How is it a front and for what organized crime? Why would they have so many antennas and run a private what?
    - Scoundreller 3y ago
      Generally considered to be part of a mob/mafia. Lots of extortion (and murder) against anyone investigating them [1] and taking vehicles to connected shops that would do more damage to dial up the insurance bill. Often the rates for the tow itself are unregulated and your negotiating position is often weak (or they lie to you and say you have to remove your vehicle from the road immediately, which isn't true unless ordered by a police officer, whom per above links, have also been corrupted by the industry). There's also been a tow truck war locally where they'd torch competitors (or non-complying) tow trucks [2] [1] https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/do-you-want-to-grow-old-stop-suing-my-friend-12-year-sentence-handed-to-toronto-man-who-attacked-lawyer-amid-tow-truck-turf-war-1.6185233 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/do-you-want-to-grow-old-stop-suin... [2] https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-investigating-after-multiple-tow-trucks-caught-fire-across-scarborough-1.6509643 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-investigating-after-multip...
      - hattmall 3y ago
        Ok so they are using the police radio to figure out when an accident happens and be first on scene? Is that right? Here we just have a rotation. Every two truck registers with the police and they get dispatched just like the cops based on their spot. Seems like an easy fix and rates are regulated.

networkchad 3y ago

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cherryteastain 3y ago

They'll probably rotate keys every now and then.

helpfulclippy 3y ago
That’s bound to be fun. Encryption is easy; key management is hard.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  These radio systems are designed to handle key management fairly intrinsically.
huytersd 3y ago
Well wouldn’t every radio receive the updated keys unless it’s specifically reported as lost and blocked?

PM_me_your_math 3y ago

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Scoundreller 3y ago

Despite being very illegal, Toronto had encrypted radios for a while, and they were both somehow cloned and “lost” without being deactivated. Primarily for crooked tow truck drivers, whom streaming subscriptions were being sold to. But you could imagine that being a lot worse. And Toronto police are very well paid, probably better than NYPD. https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2021/2/19/1_5316595.html https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2021/2/19/1_5316595.ht... https://nationalpost.com/news/toronto-cop-part-of-organized-crime-group-involved-in-vicious-tow-truck-wars-chief-says/wcm/bc6af5a7-7b2c-4e8b-b1e0-238c6eb72f03/amp/ https://nationalpost.com/news/toronto-cop-part-of-organized-... https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-police-forces-checking-radio-inventories-after-devices-recovered-in/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-polic... https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5622069 https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5622069 edit: not sure what the term is for trusting a "more secure" system with more sensitive information, but ultimately goes sideways when it turns out to not be as secure as thought.

motohagiography 3y ago
Those crooked tow truck drivers were organized crime fronts as well. Some of those tow trucks had so many antennas they were basically mobile sigint stations. With the voice transcription tech available today, you could pretty trivially run a private one.
- hattmall 3y ago
  Can you further explain what all of that means? Like basically every sentence? What were the two truck drivers doing crooked? How is it a front and for what organized crime? Why would they have so many antennas and run a private what?
  - Scoundreller 3y ago
    Generally considered to be part of a mob/mafia. Lots of extortion (and murder) against anyone investigating them [1] and taking vehicles to connected shops that would do more damage to dial up the insurance bill. Often the rates for the tow itself are unregulated and your negotiating position is often weak (or they lie to you and say you have to remove your vehicle from the road immediately, which isn't true unless ordered by a police officer, whom per above links, have also been corrupted by the industry). There's also been a tow truck war locally where they'd torch competitors (or non-complying) tow trucks [2] [1] https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/do-you-want-to-grow-old-stop-suing-my-friend-12-year-sentence-handed-to-toronto-man-who-attacked-lawyer-amid-tow-truck-turf-war-1.6185233 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/do-you-want-to-grow-old-stop-suin... [2] https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-investigating-after-multiple-tow-trucks-caught-fire-across-scarborough-1.6509643 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-investigating-after-multip...
    - hattmall 3y ago
      Ok so they are using the police radio to figure out when an accident happens and be first on scene? Is that right? Here we just have a rotation. Every two truck registers with the police and they get dispatched just like the cops based on their spot. Seems like an easy fix and rates are regulated.