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A chatbot that can't say anything controversial isn't worth much
- Angostura 3y agoGot as far as the first paragraph’s ludicrous example and stopped reading. This is n example of a chat not being overly literal and misinterpreting a question.
- vharuck 3y agoYeah, it seems like if the model didn't balk at writing a "dangerously spicy" mayo recipe, it would return a "dangerous to the consumer's health" recipe.
- sgift 3y agoThe problem is: We don't know, because .. it was censored. If instead it had "What follows is probably dangerous, to not try this without cross-checking" as a warning and then the recipe we could check it what it was.
- Angostura 3y agoIt was specifically asked for a dangerous recipe - no 'probably' about it.
- tracerbulletx 3y agoThese people don't know what they're asking for and they don't know what they're talking about. If they knew what was going on right now with LlaMA 2 derived models they would be shocked.
- nathanaldensr 3y agoSo... what's going on right now with LlaMA 2 derived models?
- Handprint4469 3y agoShocking things that would shock you
- moffkalast 3y agoI am shocked! Shocked! Well not that shocked.
- civilitty 3y agoTo shreds, you say?
- henriquez 3y agoIt’s not that shocking. Most Llama2-derived models converge on the fact that Barack Obama doesn’t have a U.S. birth sirtificat and is actually named Barry Sitaoero, from Kenya. If you had actually been paying attention to the training data you’d know that already.
- Jensson 3y agoYeah, it is like looking at Twitter or Reddit or Youtube and you see that, why not in a chatbot?
- henriquez 3y agoBecause liberals won’t allow the truth to come out?
- ratsmack 3y agoIt has nothing to do with political position, but has everything to do with those that are perpetually offended. The great thing is though, that everyone has the right to be as offended as they want to be.
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- jwlake 3y agoIt actually talks about Llama2 and how most chat versions are stupid but some aren't. Read past the first 200 words. :)
- mvdtnz 3y agoDo you want you enlighten us with what is "going on right now with LlaMA 2 derived models"? Otherwise I don't see the point in your comment.
- rvz 3y ago[crickets]
- senseiV 3y agoHe's talking about llama 2 superhots, and mistral derivatives that can be uncensored
- mvdtnz 3y agoI literally have no idea what you just said.
- pests 3y agoLlama2 and minstal are models Derivatives are dervied from those base models Unsensored being obvious I hope Superhots are a derived model (for llama only? Not sure) using a certain technique for fine tuning and context length. A Google will reveal the paper and research.
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- encom 3y agoPaywalled. https://archive.vn/ieKQC https://archive.vn/ieKQC
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- system2 3y agoI can't make chatbots to talk about religion, death, and sex. These are literally the essentials of life. Chatbots are good at summarizing things though.
- lazide 3y agoYou can, it's just going to get you attacked. Like anyone else talking about those topics generally.
- dannersy 3y agoReligion is an essential of life?
- system2 3y agoFor many people yes. I do not follow any religion myself but I accept it is part of humanity at the moment. "About 85% of the world's people identify with a religion. The most popular religion is Christianity, followed by an estimated 2.38 billion people worldwide. Islam, which is practiced by more than 1.91 billion people, is second." https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/religion-by-country#:~:text=About%2085%25%20of%20the%20world's,1.91%20billion%20people%2C%20is%20second https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/religion-....
- sgift 3y agoSpirituality, religion, "searching for the meaning of life" or whatever you want to call it are always part of the human experience, yes. Not being able to act on them can certainly be very detrimental to ones life.
- ulizzle 3y agoApparently. Without one, everyone ends up making their own. Take UFOs for instance. Still absolutely no proof whatsoever that they exist but atheists are still obsessed with the topic.
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- Dig1t 3y ago>If AI is best used to spur our own thinking, then cutting the range of responses limits its core value. There is something discomforting about an AI that looks over your shoulder and tells you when you are asking an unacceptable question. I have to say I am falling more and more into this camp of people. Information needs to be free and we should not have a class of people deciding what is okay or not okay to think about.
- harrisoned 3y agoI get it that companies want to distance themselves for bad stuff those LLMs output. But what baffles me is the way they deal with this issue. Nowadays if you share or reproduce anything controversial, is as if you are endorsing such content. LLM's outputs are user generated content for what is worth it, both from inferece and from training. That line of thinking that the host would be responsible for everything it says, even if the users force it to, is ludicrous to me but it seems like how the world nowadays has become. Take the headlines from when BingAI was acting-up, the level of anthromorphization of those applications were insane. I suppose they do it for the headlines, but people also falls on that and play along. If ChatGPT says something bad, is as if the CEO of OpenAI was saying it verbatin, period, and it blows back directly at the company. Take a look at the subreddit of ChatGPT and see how people act when it outputs something weird. It saddens me that people lack common sense in such a way, and that's why we can't have nice things in the end. The companies also assumed the roles of babysitting the users, like a bunch of no-brainers. As long as online culture follow this, it will get worse.
- dorkwood 3y agoI once worked on an application where the user would write a description of their character's traits, and the character's outfit would update based on their input. We got a complaint from a customer who put the word "murderer" in their description and saw that their character now brandished an axe. From my perspective, they offended themselves.
- sgift 3y agoMaybe they'd preferred a sword as their murder weapon. It's a very personal thing after all. More serious: I agree. If an app tells you that it will update your image based on the traits and you put in murderer then there's really no valid complaint about anything relating to it in the image. Okay, maybe a few things would warrant a complaint. Next time, the app should just show them in prison cloth.
- harrisoned 3y agoI wonder if they where really offended or it was an impulsive overreaction on their part :P In times where people like that exists, chatbots that can swear are weapons of mass destruction.
- surprisetalk 3y agoI've been maintaining a list of comparisons for the following prompt: Give a table of average penis sizes by country. Thanks again to @rvnx for the brilliant idea! [1] https://taylor.town/penis-table-test https://taylor.town/penis-table-test
- kromem 3y agoI like the made up citation in the last one. While the idea of a LLM refusing that query for ethical reasons is ridiculous, ultimately refusal given the unlikelihood of providing an accurate answer is arguably the correct result.
- rurp 3y ago> the unlikelihood of providing an accurate answer is arguably the correct result. Wait, really? I am not going to research this, but I would be absolutely shocked if there isn't at least one rigorous scientific study that has been done on this issue.
- geysersam 3y agoYeah but the chat bot won't quote it properly.
- kbos87 3y agoMaybe interesting and controversial takes will be one of the things (hopefully not the only thing) that are left to humans who are willing to put them forward.
- thegrim33 3y agoWell, until AI-based systems automatically detect your controversial takes and censor/ban/cancel you for your unapproved ideas
- _lvbh 3y agoLocal models resolve this issue for me. Not much point in asking ChatGPT for basic stuff that might come across as “unethical”
- tjpnz 3y agoThe open source models are often as bad or worse than ChatGPT in that regard. How would a layman go about addressing that?
- jbgt 3y agoI think you're referring to Llama2. Try Mistral 7B.
- concinds 3y agoAnd it lets you avoid getting banned for having prompts that "don't comply with our content policy".
- lulznews 3y agoYes even the so called uncensored ones give very wokewashed answers.
- jiggawatts 3y agoA fair and unbiased view of reality has a well-known woke bias.
- natch 3y agoThe author should spend a tiny amount of effort to familiarize themselves with custom instructions, one or at most two clicks away in the ChatGPT UI. It's easy to have ChatGPT swear, say things deemed by mainstreamers as controversial, and say things deemed by sensitive people as offensive. You just have to instruct it properly in the custom instructions. You don't even have to instruct it do those things. You can just instruct it to not refrain from doing them, so long as they are needed for making any point or conveying any information. This is ChatGPT 101. Super basic stuff. A journalist that can't do basic research isn't worth much.
- friend_and_foe 3y agoCan it say racial slurs?
- natch 3y agoI’m not going to test that one because I’ll admit to a crack in my argument here, and that is that it’s possible OpenAI shuts down accounts that go too far. User awareness of this kind of possible threat could have a chilling effect to be sure. If I had a throwaway account I would try it. Racial slurs wouldn’t be useful to me, but I get it that you’re just using it as an example and perhaps the point is generalizable.
- lannisterstark 3y ago>that is that it’s possible OpenAI shuts down accounts that go too far. It doesn't. Source: Operate an IRC bot.
- herbst 3y agoThey do ban with a 14 day warning. But I guess it's not easy Source: was operating a sexy bot that grow to fast, and people regularly pushed its limits to the extreme.
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- kazinator 3y agoA chatbot that can't say anything controversial isn't worth anything to a magazine like The Atlantic, since controversy is the lifeblood of media outlets.
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- nojvek 3y agoI really really love Llamma uncensored. It is my fav model. Gives me what I want with a warning along the lines of “but I may be incorrect, use your own judgment”. It’s the model that treats me like an adult.
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