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So we're pretending smoking and vaping weed doesn't cause lung cancer? Still?

by msla 3y ago

jackmott 3y ago
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munk-a 3y ago
Not in the quantities you'd find medicinal for anxiety... and most people I know who have government weed up here in Canada take it in edible form.
theshackleford 3y ago
If you’ve studies showing vaporisation of cannabis induces lung cancer I’d sure like to see them.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  Aren't we still only really a decade out from when vaping became popular? Seems like evidence would currently be hard to come by.
  - theshackleford 3y ago
    It’s closer to thirty years in terms of initial cannabis vaporisation with more significant usage in the last twenty at least. Unless you are referring to the newer vape pen style which may be closer to a decade.
  - dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
    10 years and tens of millions of users means insufficiently abundant evidence? It's like the fearmongering around MDMA, which claims that there will be delayed harmful effects from meddling with your brain chemistry, but hundreds of millions of users and decades later where is the widespread harm? Arguably it proves that it's one of the safest drugs on earth. Of course controlled studies are rigorous, but widespread use must also lead to widespread harm if it exists. There may be hidden harm because it's a small effect on a large population or only harms a small population, but that just means it's relatively safe.
    - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
      Given that cancer takes decades to pop up, I think it's disingenuous to compare it to MDMA. True, it could be safe, but how long does it take for lung cancer from smoking to appear?
- jl6 3y ago
  Not sure about lung cancer, but we know enough about the negative health impact of air pollution that a little common sense should tell us that putting random garbage in your lungs is unlikely to be good for you.
dekhn 3y ago
So far the evidence seems to show that smoking and vaping cannabis does not have nearly the potential for lung cancer that tobacco smoking does. It is associated with various respiratory ailments (under heavy use). And it may have a slight protective effect against some cancers. As usual, more and higher-quality data would help elucidate the source of the protective effects.
- msla 3y ago
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8975973/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8975973/ > The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) study (2018) concluded that long-term cannabis smoking is substantially associated with increased respiratory symptoms (i.e., cough, phlegm, and wheeze) and more frequent chronic bronchitis episodes than experienced by non-smokers. [snip] > By contrast, recent outbreaks of respiratory illnesses associated with consumption of mostly unregulated Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)-containing vaping products have so far resulted in 2807 hospitalizations and 68 deaths in the United States, with additional cases being investigated in Canada (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 2020, Government of Canada, 2020).
- msla 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_electronic_cigarette_aerosol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_electronic_ciga... > E-cigarette vapor contains many of the known harmful toxicants found in traditional cigarette smoke, such as formaldehyde, cadmium, and lead, though usually at a reduced percentage.[25]
  - dekhn 3y ago
    that's e-cigarettes, which I wasn't talking about.
manmal 3y ago
Nicotine has been found to be oncogenic. If weed is consumed without tobacco, it might actually be safer than tobacco. I‘m not saying that’s a safe bet, but the jury’s out.
- joemazerino 3y ago
  Source? Find me something that separates nicotine from smoking.
  - 3np 3y ago
    It's been studied. From a quick search: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.34643 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.34643
  - manmal 3y ago
    How about this one week old review: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-023-01668-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-023-01668-1
kortilla 3y ago
So we’re still pretending smoking and vaping are anything alike?

So we're pretending smoking and vaping weed doesn't cause lung cancer? Still?

by msla 3y ago

So we're pretending smoking and vaping weed doesn't cause lung cancer? Still?

jackmott 3y ago

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munk-a 3y ago

Not in the quantities you'd find medicinal for anxiety... and most people I know who have government weed up here in Canada take it in edible form.

theshackleford 3y ago

If you’ve studies showing vaporisation of cannabis induces lung cancer I’d sure like to see them.

SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
Aren't we still only really a decade out from when vaping became popular? Seems like evidence would currently be hard to come by.
- theshackleford 3y ago
  It’s closer to thirty years in terms of initial cannabis vaporisation with more significant usage in the last twenty at least. Unless you are referring to the newer vape pen style which may be closer to a decade.
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
  10 years and tens of millions of users means insufficiently abundant evidence? It's like the fearmongering around MDMA, which claims that there will be delayed harmful effects from meddling with your brain chemistry, but hundreds of millions of users and decades later where is the widespread harm? Arguably it proves that it's one of the safest drugs on earth. Of course controlled studies are rigorous, but widespread use must also lead to widespread harm if it exists. There may be hidden harm because it's a small effect on a large population or only harms a small population, but that just means it's relatively safe.
  - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    Given that cancer takes decades to pop up, I think it's disingenuous to compare it to MDMA. True, it could be safe, but how long does it take for lung cancer from smoking to appear?
jl6 3y ago
Not sure about lung cancer, but we know enough about the negative health impact of air pollution that a little common sense should tell us that putting random garbage in your lungs is unlikely to be good for you.

dekhn 3y ago

So far the evidence seems to show that smoking and vaping cannabis does not have nearly the potential for lung cancer that tobacco smoking does. It is associated with various respiratory ailments (under heavy use). And it may have a slight protective effect against some cancers. As usual, more and higher-quality data would help elucidate the source of the protective effects.

msla 3y ago
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8975973/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8975973/ > The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) study (2018) concluded that long-term cannabis smoking is substantially associated with increased respiratory symptoms (i.e., cough, phlegm, and wheeze) and more frequent chronic bronchitis episodes than experienced by non-smokers. [snip] > By contrast, recent outbreaks of respiratory illnesses associated with consumption of mostly unregulated Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)-containing vaping products have so far resulted in 2807 hospitalizations and 68 deaths in the United States, with additional cases being investigated in Canada (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 2020, Government of Canada, 2020).
msla 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_electronic_cigarette_aerosol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_electronic_ciga... > E-cigarette vapor contains many of the known harmful toxicants found in traditional cigarette smoke, such as formaldehyde, cadmium, and lead, though usually at a reduced percentage.[25]
- dekhn 3y ago
  that's e-cigarettes, which I wasn't talking about.

manmal 3y ago

Nicotine has been found to be oncogenic. If weed is consumed without tobacco, it might actually be safer than tobacco. I‘m not saying that’s a safe bet, but the jury’s out.

joemazerino 3y ago
Source? Find me something that separates nicotine from smoking.
- 3np 3y ago
  It's been studied. From a quick search: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.34643 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.34643
- manmal 3y ago
  How about this one week old review: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-023-01668-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-023-01668-1

kortilla 3y ago

So we’re still pretending smoking and vaping are anything alike?