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Yeah this is my personal experience as well. For small anxieties, weed helps, but for large and meaningful anxiety it makes it much worse. As much as people ha

Yeah this is my personal experience as well. For small anxieties, weed helps, but for large and meaningful anxiety it makes it much worse. As much as people hate to admit it, booze and cigarettes are much better for coping with anxiety, and Cheaper Than Therapy as the kids like to say.

kelnos 3y ago
I guess that's only "much better" if you consider anxiety worse than alcoholism, liver failure, and lung cancer.
- msla 3y ago
  So we're pretending smoking and vaping weed doesn't cause lung cancer? Still?
  - jackmott 3y ago
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  - munk-a 3y ago
    Not in the quantities you'd find medicinal for anxiety... and most people I know who have government weed up here in Canada take it in edible form.
  - theshackleford 3y ago
    If you’ve studies showing vaporisation of cannabis induces lung cancer I’d sure like to see them.
    - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
      Aren't we still only really a decade out from when vaping became popular? Seems like evidence would currently be hard to come by.
      - theshackleford 3y ago
        It’s closer to thirty years in terms of initial cannabis vaporisation with more significant usage in the last twenty at least. Unless you are referring to the newer vape pen style which may be closer to a decade.
      - dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
        10 years and tens of millions of users means insufficiently abundant evidence? It's like the fearmongering around MDMA, which claims that there will be delayed harmful effects from meddling with your brain chemistry, but hundreds of millions of users and decades later where is the widespread harm? Arguably it proves that it's one of the safest drugs on earth. Of course controlled studies are rigorous, but widespread use must also lead to widespread harm if it exists. There may be hidden harm because it's a small effect on a large population or only harms a small population, but that just means it's relatively safe.
        SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
        Given that cancer takes decades to pop up, I think it's disingenuous to compare it to MDMA. True, it could be safe, but how long does it take for lung cancer from smoking to appear?
    - jl6 3y ago
      Not sure about lung cancer, but we know enough about the negative health impact of air pollution that a little common sense should tell us that putting random garbage in your lungs is unlikely to be good for you.
  - dekhn 3y ago
    So far the evidence seems to show that smoking and vaping cannabis does not have nearly the potential for lung cancer that tobacco smoking does. It is associated with various respiratory ailments (under heavy use). And it may have a slight protective effect against some cancers. As usual, more and higher-quality data would help elucidate the source of the protective effects.
    - msla 3y ago
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8975973/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8975973/ > The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) study (2018) concluded that long-term cannabis smoking is substantially associated with increased respiratory symptoms (i.e., cough, phlegm, and wheeze) and more frequent chronic bronchitis episodes than experienced by non-smokers. [snip] > By contrast, recent outbreaks of respiratory illnesses associated with consumption of mostly unregulated Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)-containing vaping products have so far resulted in 2807 hospitalizations and 68 deaths in the United States, with additional cases being investigated in Canada (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 2020, Government of Canada, 2020).
    - msla 3y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_electronic_cigarette_aerosol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_electronic_ciga... > E-cigarette vapor contains many of the known harmful toxicants found in traditional cigarette smoke, such as formaldehyde, cadmium, and lead, though usually at a reduced percentage.[25]
      - dekhn 3y ago
        that's e-cigarettes, which I wasn't talking about.
  - manmal 3y ago
    Nicotine has been found to be oncogenic. If weed is consumed without tobacco, it might actually be safer than tobacco. I‘m not saying that’s a safe bet, but the jury’s out.
    - joemazerino 3y ago
      Source? Find me something that separates nicotine from smoking.
      - 3np 3y ago
        It's been studied. From a quick search: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.34643 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.34643
      - manmal 3y ago
        How about this one week old review: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-023-01668-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-023-01668-1
  - kortilla 3y ago
    So we’re still pretending smoking and vaping are anything alike?
- deebosong 3y ago
  There's a saying I heard, which goes a little something like: "You can't use a coping mechanism to heal from an issue/ wound/ trauma. It's basically just replacing one addiction for another." I'm paraphrasing. But I agree with that statement (which isn't to say that healing is an easy or simple process).
BobaFloutist 3y ago
Are booze and cigarettes actually cheaper than therapy?
- failrate 3y ago
  No, and the booze and cigarettes are also going to do damage, whereas a therapist is unlikely to do damage.
augustulus 3y ago
my analysis of my own experiences is that weed smoothens your emotions. the lows are higher and the highs are lower. but then again, I’ve never dealt with major anxiety beyond a few brief stints however, I would be extremely shocked if cigarettes and alcohol are better for it than weed. cigarettes are basically buying yourself low-level intermittent anxiety, and alcohol, unless you’re a genuine alcoholic, is just a rollercoaster of ups and downs that will likely result in future memories for you to be anxious about. that’s my experience anyway

kelnos 3y ago

I guess that's only "much better" if you consider anxiety worse than alcoholism, liver failure, and lung cancer.

msla 3y ago
So we're pretending smoking and vaping weed doesn't cause lung cancer? Still?
- jackmott 3y ago
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- munk-a 3y ago
  Not in the quantities you'd find medicinal for anxiety... and most people I know who have government weed up here in Canada take it in edible form.
- theshackleford 3y ago
  If you’ve studies showing vaporisation of cannabis induces lung cancer I’d sure like to see them.
  - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    Aren't we still only really a decade out from when vaping became popular? Seems like evidence would currently be hard to come by.
    - theshackleford 3y ago
      It’s closer to thirty years in terms of initial cannabis vaporisation with more significant usage in the last twenty at least. Unless you are referring to the newer vape pen style which may be closer to a decade.
    - dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
      10 years and tens of millions of users means insufficiently abundant evidence? It's like the fearmongering around MDMA, which claims that there will be delayed harmful effects from meddling with your brain chemistry, but hundreds of millions of users and decades later where is the widespread harm? Arguably it proves that it's one of the safest drugs on earth. Of course controlled studies are rigorous, but widespread use must also lead to widespread harm if it exists. There may be hidden harm because it's a small effect on a large population or only harms a small population, but that just means it's relatively safe.
      - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
        Given that cancer takes decades to pop up, I think it's disingenuous to compare it to MDMA. True, it could be safe, but how long does it take for lung cancer from smoking to appear?
  - jl6 3y ago
    Not sure about lung cancer, but we know enough about the negative health impact of air pollution that a little common sense should tell us that putting random garbage in your lungs is unlikely to be good for you.
- dekhn 3y ago
  So far the evidence seems to show that smoking and vaping cannabis does not have nearly the potential for lung cancer that tobacco smoking does. It is associated with various respiratory ailments (under heavy use). And it may have a slight protective effect against some cancers. As usual, more and higher-quality data would help elucidate the source of the protective effects.
  - msla 3y ago
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8975973/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8975973/ > The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) study (2018) concluded that long-term cannabis smoking is substantially associated with increased respiratory symptoms (i.e., cough, phlegm, and wheeze) and more frequent chronic bronchitis episodes than experienced by non-smokers. [snip] > By contrast, recent outbreaks of respiratory illnesses associated with consumption of mostly unregulated Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)-containing vaping products have so far resulted in 2807 hospitalizations and 68 deaths in the United States, with additional cases being investigated in Canada (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 2020, Government of Canada, 2020).
  - msla 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_electronic_cigarette_aerosol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_electronic_ciga... > E-cigarette vapor contains many of the known harmful toxicants found in traditional cigarette smoke, such as formaldehyde, cadmium, and lead, though usually at a reduced percentage.[25]
    - dekhn 3y ago
      that's e-cigarettes, which I wasn't talking about.
- manmal 3y ago
  Nicotine has been found to be oncogenic. If weed is consumed without tobacco, it might actually be safer than tobacco. I‘m not saying that’s a safe bet, but the jury’s out.
  - joemazerino 3y ago
    Source? Find me something that separates nicotine from smoking.
    - 3np 3y ago
      It's been studied. From a quick search: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.34643 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.34643
    - manmal 3y ago
      How about this one week old review: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-023-01668-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-023-01668-1
- kortilla 3y ago
  So we’re still pretending smoking and vaping are anything alike?
deebosong 3y ago
There's a saying I heard, which goes a little something like: "You can't use a coping mechanism to heal from an issue/ wound/ trauma. It's basically just replacing one addiction for another." I'm paraphrasing. But I agree with that statement (which isn't to say that healing is an easy or simple process).

BobaFloutist 3y ago

Are booze and cigarettes actually cheaper than therapy?

failrate 3y ago
No, and the booze and cigarettes are also going to do damage, whereas a therapist is unlikely to do damage.

augustulus 3y ago

my analysis of my own experiences is that weed smoothens your emotions. the lows are higher and the highs are lower. but then again, I’ve never dealt with major anxiety beyond a few brief stints however, I would be extremely shocked if cigarettes and alcohol are better for it than weed. cigarettes are basically buying yourself low-level intermittent anxiety, and alcohol, unless you’re a genuine alcoholic, is just a rollercoaster of ups and downs that will likely result in future memories for you to be anxious about. that’s my experience anyway